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cristhian702

Valid points for sure. I don't come close to the skill level that would be required to "test" a stock 1199/1299. I worry myself just getting around the hills. I have had this on the track but your correct, it was a spirited ride at best. There are guys here that are damn fast and I would have no problem letting them wring this out but Im not doing it. I do have a track bike that is somewhat "expendable" if I ever decide to "man up". For the guys who do track the exotic stuff, kudos. Thats the real deal. Like I said I would do it if i had the skill sets. I like to build and create and while I think what I build is capable, I accept that I am the "Starbucks" part of the equation.
 
Exactly that's what I don't understand about this infatuation with times and so on. You did it because you enjoy every aspect of building your amazing machine which I would love to do! The thing is you actually understand and realize that. Many people I meet spend tons of money trying go faster when in reality their form is ..... I'm with you all the way Endo, people need to know when and how to sip on the Ducati juice!

Ohh by letting us know when and where, that was more for the people that bring up lap times, lol
 
Who's comparing and infatuating about lap times here? You? There were two posts (out of 23) prior to yours that mentioned lap times... I do agree, lap time comparison is silly for us mere mortals as it really comes down to the rider first and not the bike, brand, or how much money you throw at it. And clearly from Endo's posts lap times weren't his objective.
 
endodoc said:
cristhian702

Valid points for sure. I don't come close to the skill level that would be required to "test" a stock 1199/1299. I worry myself just getting around the hills. I have had this on the track but your correct, it was a spirited ride at best. There are guys here that are damn fast and I would have no problem letting them wring this out but Im not doing it. I do have a track bike that is somewhat "expendable" if I ever decide to "man up". For the guys who do track the exotic stuff, kudos. Thats the real deal. Like I said I would do it if i had the skill sets. I like to build and create and while I think what I build is capable, I accept that I am the "Starbucks" part of the equation.
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Ain't nothing wrong with Starbucks living! Do your thing man!:D
 
flobrandx said:
Who's comparing and infatuating about lap times here? You? There were two posts (out of 23) prior to yours that mentioned lap times... I do agree, lap time comparison is silly for us mere mortals as it really comes down to the rider first and not the bike, brand, or how much money you throw at it. And clearly from Endo's posts lap times weren't his objective.
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Well actually no, in this case it does matter.

The claim is that this build will be better than a factory SL for less cash. Lap times and dyno charts here are imperative otherwise where is the proof that this bike is better?
 
Big Boost. I will get some decent ones and put them up. I see you have a Dragster. How do you like that? I just saw a custom build at the MV dealer in Newport. I was thinking on that for the wife. I was going to do a small monster but they did a nice job on that Dragster. That think is super cool.
 
Mutt, your killing me. Your right. Its not a better bike. Case closed. I hope you have not put any aftermarket parts on your bike as you surly would have diminished the performance of what Ducati has built for you. Im surprised that any aftermarket performance parts are sold at all.
 
endodoc said:
Big Boost. I will get some decent ones and put them up. I see you have a Dragster. How do you like that? I just saw a custom build at the MV dealer in Newport. I was thinking on that for the wife. I was going to do a small monster but they did a nice job on that Dragster. That think is super cool.
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I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE it. Very fun bike. I got the Dragster RR, which has the 800 motor. Very fun bike, small nimble easy to ride and great electronics.

Very wheelie happy, but controllable.

I put the FM Exhaust on it & I don't know if I would recommend it. Sounds and looks fantastic, but holy balls its LOUD. Like REAL loud & this from a guy would has exhausts on all his bikes.

It's a small bike, so if it was me, I would pick this over a monster, as monsters are everywhere now....

Let me know, if you have more questions or if I can be of any additional help and thanks again for sharing your info.
 

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flobrandx said:
Who's comparing and infatuating about lap times here? You? There were two posts (out of 23) prior to yours that mentioned lap times... I do agree, lap time comparison is silly for us mere mortals as it really comes down to the rider first and not the bike, brand, or how much money you throw at it. And clearly from Endo's posts lap times weren't his objective.
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Lol go check out the other thread. Warranty and faster laps are mentioned all over the place. In the automotive world you can justify a P1, LaFerrari and all the other hypercars. Main reason? Proprietary platforms, engines, suspension and more. You CANNOT replicate them and that alone justifies their cost. Same with the Desmo, you cannot replicate that. This new SL has very little that most people cannot attain in the aftermarket. As endo listed it IS possible to make something similar or superior without having to spend 80k+. The only positive thing about this bike (new SL) is brand recognition. If they were really interested in their "racing clientele" they would have offered programs like Aprilia.
 
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Mutt1979 said:
Well actually no, in this case it does matter.

The claim is that this build will be better than a factory SL for less cash. Lap times and dyno charts here are imperative otherwise where is the proof that this bike is better?
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damnn.... mic dropped...
 
ygfamily21 said:
damnn.... mic dropped...
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Go find a pro racer and hand him keys to an SL and a shop built bike, same track same day.... :rolleyes:

This isn't a true "track spec" bike. Go look at Aprilia for a program like that. This is for they people that can't do what endo did for a premium price.
 
Good points. I would add however that if you have the $$ and the capabilities you can "out do" the "out doable". Some of the hypercars that get built fall into that category. I would bet Koenigsegg would take the factory LaFerrari challenge. According to the lap time and hp
Argument one would be absolutely foolish to put money down or consider the new SL over the old SL as we have zero "lap time" or hp values to compare. The premis that the new SL is better than the less expensive older SL is based on assumption of the verb "better" which since we don't have lap time or hp data for the new SL dictates that obviously, it's not better and I can save 20k
 
Another point is that the car enthusiasts/manufacturers are finally coming around figuring out that all out power and lap times are somewhat meaningless. Prime example: Porsche 911R, GT-4, GT-3, Corvette Grand Sport, Viper ACR ect... They all require the driver to be involved and rewards them as such. Ducati somewhat realized that and gave us the baby Panigale range. Where's the track rat special for that range? Like I stated this bike is for brand recognition and nothing else. You are right, we don't even have figures out yet and people are going insane about it.
 
Boost. Thanks for the info on the Dragster. I will def hit you up. You know Attack had a motoGP effort a while back. Of course it didn't win but it was a privatized effort from a small shop in OC and it was pretty fast. Don't discount the "non factory" guys. Given the resources, they can do some pretty amazing things. I had one Ducati sticker on the bike on the front fender. I removed it some time ago. No brand or hype loyalty what so ever. I really love the bike but I love this bike. Im a fan of what I like regardless of who makes it and I do not feel the need to advertise the brand hence, no mention of it on the bike.
 
Mutt1979 said:
Well actually no, in this case it does matter.

The claim is that this build will be better than a factory SL for less cash. Lap times and dyno charts here are imperative otherwise where is the proof that this bike is better?
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Ok, I see your point and relevance if that's the objective of the build and challenge. Then like cristhian702 said, we would need both bikes on the same dyno, and on the same track with same rider on the same day to really find out which is better.

Also, I said lap time comparisons for us "mere mortals" was silly not that it should or shouldn't be used.
 
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cristhian702 said:
Lol go check out the other thread. Warranty and faster laps are mentioned all over the place. In the automotive world you can justify a P1, LaFerrari and all the other hypercars. Main reason? Proprietary platforms, engines, suspension and more. You CANNOT replicate them and that alone justifies their cost. Same with the Desmo, you cannot replicate that. This new SL has very little that most people cannot attain in the aftermarket. As endo listed it IS possible to make something similar or superior without having to spend 80k+. The only positive thing about this bike (new SL) is brand recognition. If they were really interested in their "racing clientele" they would have offered programs like Aprilia.
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Makes sense. I do like the Aprilia program for race spec builds.
 
Granted lap times should be considered but it should be a personal time attack. I lapped in 1:40 at said track then my goal should be to lap faster than that ON THE SAME SET UP. If I cannot better my time over a couple of track days and I know I'm at the bike's limits then it's time for a change.
 
endodoc said:
When you get called out, you answer the call. First the disclaimer. The prices here are what I actually paid to build this bike. If I had to compare, many are on the high side but they are very accurate from what is available from OPP, Belisimoto etc. They are all retail and by "retail" I mean what anyone off the street can get these items for. I did not have any discounts from any of these vendors. That being said, if a shop were to replicate this, there would be a substantial savings. The exception to this are the custom parts that were made by Northrop R&D. This is my cost and reflects what I paid for raw materials and what I paid Mike to run these parts in the Haas after hours. Variable costs are items I purchased from ebay. I have included the invoice for the motor as a reference. You may pay more or less depending on the seller. There are duplicates on the items I purchased on ebay just about every time I look and I have purchased additional motors. This is the highest priced 1299 motor I have purchased. I have included the place of purchase and the names of the people I dealt with. Fell free to contact any of them if you have doubts on anything listed. I have also included a comparison between what came on the SL and what is in this build as I did make the claim that I could build a better bike than the factory SL for less. The term "better" is of course open to interpretation and opinion and you are certainly entitled but I think you will agree on most items. The only place on this bike that I elected not to spend the money was on the FGR 300 forks. They will be on the latest build. There are of course things missing but they are insignificant. I did make most of the brackets and spacers. There are many places I could have saved some money as there are "overboard" items here. $1200.00 for a rear caliper, $1200.00 for a rear master Cylinder, $3000.00 for ceramic rotors etc so nothing was removed from the list to make the numbers. The SL sold for $65,000.00. This build came in at $61,781.00. The new SL is on the rumor mill for $80-85 or higher. I can get the wheels from BST. Same price as the OZ mags that are on it now. The BST swing arm is $5000.00 and if BST makes a frame its 4K and change so that would bring this build up to $71,000.00 to duplicate the new 1299 SL (minus any new electronics) as the wheels are a wash and I will have better parts I assure you. There are a few guys on this board who have seen this bike in person so it is not vaporware and I ride it every day. Its not for everyone and I get all the pros and cons. That wasn't the point. The point was, could I build what I considered a better SL than the factory for less. In my mind, I did and so can anyone else.

Ducati 1299 motor. $4675.00 Purchased from Imperial Sport Bikes Denver CO. 1758 miles.
Carrillo Rods $525.00 (CP Carrillo) Richard Batachelor
Carrillo Pistons $415.00 (CP Carrillo) Richard Batachelor
Fox Crank mods (weight, knife edge, balance) $450.00 Ben Fox
Del West Valves $800.00 (Del West) Phil Martin
EVR Clutch $900.00(SL has a stock clutch and plates) Belisimoto Kyle
EVR Billet Clutch basket $1020.00 (SL has the stock cast clutch basket) Belisimoto Kyle
Head work $400.00 (none on the SL) Northrop R&D Mike Singleton
CNC Slave $120.00 (stock slave on the SL) Belisimoto Kyle
Ti Slave Rod $85.00 (steel on the SL) Northrop Mike Singleton
Light weight starter ring $200.00 (stock on the SL) Northrop R&D Mike Singleton
Case Covers $185.00 (none on the SL) GB ebay
Filter $400.00 (stock on the SL) Sprint Belisimoto Kyle
Sitta 15t Sprocket $149.00 ebay
Mac Radiator $1000.00 (stock on the SL) MAC Radiators Aurelian Munteanu
Rapid Bike Race $950.00 (none on the SL) Rapid Bike Yaman
1299s Electronics $1000.00 Imperial Sport Bikes Denver CO
Akra Ti exhaust $4500.00 OPP Edward Mulhall
Engine Fan $120.00 Imperial Sport Bikes Denver CO
1299 Frame $1500.00 Imperial Sport Bikes Denver CO
Desmo Veloce Tank Mount $150.00 (stock cast piece on the SL) DV Richard Boyd
1299 Swing arm $500.00 Imperial Sport Bikes Denver CO
RAM Magnesium Hub $985.00 (stock aluminum on the SL) OPP Edward Mulhull
Titanium Drive Axle $845.00 (stock steel on the SL) Northrop R&D Mike Singleton
Titanium Swing arm axles $118.00 (stock steel on the SL) Podium Racing
R-L Swing arm mounts $150.00 Imperial Sport Bikes Denver CO
Brake Tech Rear Rotor $385.00 (stock steel on the SL) Brake Tech Jeff Gehrs
Brembo P4 24 $1200.00 (stock cast OEM Brembo on the SL) OPP Edward Mulhull
Brembo GP Rear MC $1200.00 (stock OEM Brembo on the SL) OPP Edward Mulhull
Spiegler lines $350.00 Spiegler Performance Matthias Schaub
Staublie Q Disconnects $600.00 (none on the SL) Spiegler Performance Matthias Schaub
CNC Brake Caliper Mount $160.00 (stock cast aluminum on the SL) Northrop R&D Mike Singleton
CNC Titanium Flange $950.00 (stock flange on the SL) Belisimoto Kyle
Sitta Sprocket $165.00 ebay
AEM Ti drive pins $285.00 (stock steel on the SL) Belisimoto Kyle
DID ERV 520 $140.00 (OEM Regina on the SL) ebay
Ohlins DV TTX Shock $1200.00 ebay
Ohlins Ti Spring $300.00 Kyle USA Dan Kyle
Moto Corse links $500.00 Design Corse
Desmo Veloce mod $200.00 (none on the SL) DV Richard Boyd
Lightech Rear sets $1150.00 (stock SL rear sets on the SL) OPP Edward Mulhull
Translogic Shifter $250.00 (stock DQS on the SL) Translogic UK Andy Brooks
OZ Magnesium Wheels $3500.00 Motowheels
Pirelli Rosso III Tires $350.00 Revzilla
T Rex Kick Stand $150.00 ebay
Ohlins Forks $2600.00 Imperial Sport Bikes
CNC Triple $985.00 (SL engraved upper, stock lower) Belisimoto Kyle
Titanium Steer Tube $85.00 Northrop R&D Mike Singleton
Gilles Vario Bar $584.00 (stock bars on the SL) Belisimoto Kyle
Brembo GP 19x18 Brake MC $750.00 (Brembo cast OEM) OPP Edward Mulhull
Brembo GP 16x18 Clutch MC $700.00 (Brembo cast OEM) OPP Edward Mulhull
Rizoma Res $160.00
Jetprime Switch box $385.00 (stock plastic on the SL) Jetprime
Jetprime Start Switch $160.00 (Stock Plastic on the SL) Jetprime
Throttle $80.00 ebay
Grips $15.00 ebay
Kyle Ti bar ends $80.00 (stock on the SL) Kyle USA Dan Kyle
Braketech Ceramic Rotors $3000.00 (OEM Brembo on the SL) Braketech Jeff Gehrs
Brembo P4 32/36 GP Ti Piston mono blocks $3800.00 (OEM Brembo on the SL) OPP Edward Mulhull
Brembo pads $150.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT carbon Tank $1900.00 (stock tank on the SL) OPP Edward Mulhull
Fuel Pump $150.00 Imperial Sport Bikes Denver CO
Lighttech cap $110.00 Belisimoto Kyle
CDT carbon Tail $1950.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
DP Seat $225.00 ebay
Clear Alternatives light $205.00 Belisimoto Kyle
CDT Carbon nose $851.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Carbon intake $253.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Carbon electronics Holders $969.00(stock plastic on the SL) OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Carbon R Side Upper $621.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Carbon L Side Upper $621.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Carbon R side lower $364.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Carbon L side lower $364.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Carbon ram covers $440.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Carbon key guard $176.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Carbon fairing Holder $740.00(stock magnesium on the SL)
CDT instrument Cover $327.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Carbon Front Fender $307.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Carbon Rear Fender $258.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Shock Guard $128.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Upper Chain Guard $128.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
CDT Swing arm line guard $148.00 OPP Edward Mulhull
Windscreen $150.00 ebay
LED Headlight $385.00 ebay
Misc Titanium Hardware $1000.00 Airbus, Pro Bolt
Misc Electronic parts $300.00 Bike Sport Development, Honeywell
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I think this qualifies for the infamous

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Also, pics or it never happened!
 

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