Ducati 1299 Will Have "Tiptronic-Like" Shifting

RD16RR said:

...well then....how about the more engaging feel you get from a kick starter

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What is with it re: you and the kickstarter??? I have seen this reference a half dozen times already! Yes, an electric starter is 'newer tech' and much more convenient (key word here), but it is not synonymous to shifting, throttle blipping, braking, etc. Once the bike is running, that's it! The actual experience of riding is not impacted by how the bike got started in the first place.

Sinjin said:

What is with it re: you and the kickstarter??? I have seen this reference a half dozen times already! Yes, an electric starter is 'newer tech' and much more convenient (key word here), but it is not synonymous to shifting, throttle blipping, braking, etc. Once the bike is running, that's it! The actual experience of riding is not impacted by how the bike got started in the first place.

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ok....drum brakes...is that a better, more analog feel we should stick with ?

...and "sorry" i didn't realize i used it a half dozen times...but fear not, there are countless other features on the list.....throttle blipping among them

Depending on how they setup the controls for it I wouldn't mind it at all.I work with expensive cars on the daily.Never was a fan of paddle shifters till I drove an LP560.The sound it makes on a downshift is awesome.Egear on those cars adds on pump/actuator and lines.So downside is now you'll have something else that can fail eventually.

Manual for me please

Its sad really that there are no more manual transmissions available for some supercars (ferrari ) the fact is they sell the new owners on " its F1 tech", for the dealers mis-shift + big horsepower = mad customers/ warranty repairs. But most of all, most of the people that can afford a supercar are hard working professionals/ business owners who are not racing drivers -- they don't know how to properly drive a manual.

F1 doesn't use manuals anymore, but some of the drivers have been vocal about opting for manuals in their street cars. Lewis Hamilton made sure to order his Pagani Zonda with a manual. When driving for enjoyment, a lot of people find the manual the best option (unless you don't know how to drive a manual). When every millisecond counts on the track and you're getting paid millions to win... a DCT is the best option.

Using technology to make a sport easier doesn't always improve the sport. The NBA could implement technology to make the basketball rims automatically increase in diameter when someone shoots. That would make it easier to score, but I doubt a single basketball fan would say that would improve the game. If anything there would be outrage for ruining the game.

Technology in racing to move control away from the drivers/riders is because manufacturers don't want to lose if they don't have the best driver. That's why they want to take shifting and throttle control away from the drivers and handle it all electronically. They'll attempt to get an edge by developing the best software/hardware and be able to win regardless if their driver(s) are the best or not. The developers on the teams might already be more important than the drivers.

while the debate goes on, the engineers develop what is obvious, getting power to the ground without ripping the drive train from the vehicle, or destroying the transmission/clutch..sticking to old ways of doing it, simply does not work as well...some people will never let go of racing on the beaches of daytona

Eleven 99 said:

...(unless you don't know how to drive a manual)...

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Or medical condition does not allow it... not always it is because people do not know how to drive a manual. Knee problems will make using a manual tranny car a painful experience... sucks getting old

All these artificial riders aids just make it so any inept moron can more or less "ride" the bike. Kind of like helping a little kid up into a tree so they can climb it, that never works out, if they can't get up that tree on their own than they have no business in it.
I understand the need to sell bikes, you have to have the trick of the week gizmo on it, so you aren't falling behind the competition, but it is dumbing down the rider pool. Making the bikes heavier, more complex, and expensive, I believe that is called progress.

centeroff said:

All these artificial riders aids just make it so any inept moron can more or less "ride" the bike. Kind of like helping a little kid up into a tree so they can climb it, that never works out, if they can't get up that tree on their own than they have no business in it.
I understand the need to sell bikes, you have to have the trick of the week gizmo on it, so you aren't falling behind the competition, but it is dumbing down the rider pool. Making the bikes heavier, more complex, and expensive, I believe that is called progress.

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while you opine, and are entitled to, i myself tend to think the end result will be faster, more controllable motorcycles......motorcycles, as well as automobiles have been more complex, and more expensive continuously since the days of The Davidsons & Henry Ford.......i'd disagree about the weight, luckily they are getting lighter

HE WAS RIGHT btw...

Mitchlguzin said:

HE WAS RIGHT btw...

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He was wrong about the 100cc though

Mitchlguzin said:

HE WAS RIGHT btw...

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Was he? I've seen nothing to suggest tiptronic shifting on the Panigale.

TricoloreSF said:

I installed a suicide clutch on my R. I feel sorry for people that shift with their feet. Must be terrible to have to look in the mirror everyday and know that your a p*ssy.

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Buwahaaaaaaa! Your killing me bro! LMFAO

SPJ said:

Was he? I've seen nothing to suggest tiptronic shifting on the Panigale.

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OFF DUCATI's SITE - Transmission TOP Gearbox6 speed with DQS Ducati Quick Shift up/down

Not saying you are but please do not be a .... and say "well it's not called tiptronic"...clearly he meant clutchless up/down quickshifter

LINK - Ducati Superbike 1299 Panigale S - Technicali Specification

Mitchlguzin said:

OFF DUCATI's SITE - Transmission TOP Gearbox6 speed with DQS Ducati Quick Shift up/down

Not saying you are but please do not be a .... and say "well it's not called tiptronic"...clearly he meant clutchless up/down quickshifter

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In the UK press MCN mistakenly suggested that the Panigale had tiptronic shifting using the up/down buttons on the left bar, not the DQS up/down. I certainly wasn't aiming to be a ...., just clarifying that it wasn't tiptronic.

Anybody knows what is the function of the up/down buttons on the left bar ???

xpercad said:

Anybody knows what is the function of the up/down buttons on the left bar ???

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It's for on-the-fly adjustment of the traction control, EBC or wheelie control, based upon the selection you have set in the menu.

xpercad said:

Anybody knows what is the function of the up/down buttons on the left bar ???

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Ducati Auxiliary handlebar buttons

SPJ said:

In the UK press MCN mistakenly suggested that the Panigale had tiptronic shifting using the up/down buttons on the left bar, not the DQS up/down. I certainly wasn't aiming to be a ...., just clarifying that it wasn't tiptronic.

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LINK PLEASE