Nope, but I would be interested in having the front end tucked back in a bit. The 180/60 on the 899 should be close to the same height as the 1199's 200/55 in back, so the front end geometry and weight distribution difference is likely coming from somewhere else than just jacking the rear end up. If the subframe/airbox casting is the same as the 1199, then they might just be using a different insert. Had been wondering about that insert ever since I saw it was a removable part.
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Nope, but I would be interested in having the front end tucked back in a bit. The 180/60 on the 899 should be close to the same height as the 1199's 200/55 in back, so the front end geometry and weight distribution difference is likely coming from somewhere else than just jacking the rear end up. If the subframe/airbox casting is the same as the 1199, then they might just be using a different insert. Had been wondering about that insert ever since I saw it was a removable part.
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If you guys are comparing numerical figures and are comparing value, HP, weight, suspension quality, cool screen, etc. you really are missing the point of this bike.
In markets like NA, bikes are very much an impulse buy. Not only for those who CAN afford them but also for those who cannot.
If a 20yr old wants to overextend themselves with loans and credit the 3-4k price difference may be all that is in his/ her way of a sexy new Ducati.
Plus. How much cooler are you at track days when your're smoking the geezers tracking their beloved "R" ?
Happens all the time with 848 vs xx98 bikes at track days I've seen.
In markets like NA, bikes are very much an impulse buy. Not only for those who CAN afford them but also for those who cannot.
If a 20yr old wants to overextend themselves with loans and credit the 3-4k price difference may be all that is in his/ her way of a sexy new Ducati.
Plus. How much cooler are you at track days when your're smoking the geezers tracking their beloved "R" ?
Happens all the time with 848 vs xx98 bikes at track days I've seen.
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well, that always comes down to the rider, but in this case, i'd say on 90% of the tracks you'd be faster on an 1199 than an 899 (same rider), or not?
more power, less weight, better brakes, better suspension...
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My answers..
1. I have bought a Panigale R as my first ever bike in the US (have ridden for over 7 yrs back home in India) with delivery next week. This may be outrageous and stupid in some people's views but it was totally an impulse buy due to 2 circumstances that made me take the plunge and I will take my time to enjoy the bike to its fullest....
a) The R that I booked was a spare from a double shipment that my dealership received by mistake (was intended for a dealership in Chicago) which was like huge luck for me and was going to be returned back if no one was going to block it.. It was a no brainer
b) All Ducati models are getting a price hike eff. Oct 1 this year so if I was to wait till next spring 2014 (which was my original plan to buy a bike), I would be paying more for the same bike.
2. I have never done any tracking at all.. I will obviously be taking my time to improve my skill and not focus on pushing my R real hard right away and end up having it damaged. If smaller and cheaper bikes whiz past me I don't give a ....... I would rather focus on improving my skills up first than trying to be a show off on the track
...and what were you riding back in India, a Bajaj 125?
An R as your first bike with out even consulting a lot of people here, I can predict what you will think of it when you start riding it but I will wait for you to come here and start complaning first! Unless you had a 1000CC back in India then it is a different story, either way enjoy!
An R as your first bike with out even consulting a lot of people here, I can predict what you will think of it when you start riding it but I will wait for you to come here and start complaning first! Unless you had a 1000CC back in India then it is a different story, either way enjoy!
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I have a couple of Indian buddies who have purchased Ducatis here and have gone from small bikes to a Diavel which is still a powerful bike..
I agree that the power jump is massive but in terms of weight and handling, I couldn't go with anything else than a Pani for my size and height.. I find the others too heavy for my taste or not appealing in look to me and I wanted a Ducati all along..
BTW a 1000cc bike in India is a total mismatch for the conditions there.. you can't ride those on those horrible city roads with that crazy traffic.
I spent two months reading the threads on this forum and learnt a lot about the Pani with regards to issues, recommended accessories etc before visiting the dealership the day I booked my R.
If you wanted a Ducati all along nothing I say here would change your mind!
There is a massive difference between a Diavel and a Panigale, yes, they are both fast bikes but I was referring more to its usabilty as your first bike. Diavels are comfortable and you can live with them every day, Panigales are not especially for some one who does not have experience with faster sport bikes and we are talking the Panigale here, not any other bike!
Did you test ride if before deciding to go for it or was it merely the looks of it that got you!?!? Panigales are like an Italian super model girlfriend with loads of attitude!
Test ride a 600 Jap, you will love it after you are on the Panigale for a while
There is a massive difference between a Diavel and a Panigale, yes, they are both fast bikes but I was referring more to its usabilty as your first bike. Diavels are comfortable and you can live with them every day, Panigales are not especially for some one who does not have experience with faster sport bikes and we are talking the Panigale here, not any other bike!
Did you test ride if before deciding to go for it or was it merely the looks of it that got you!?!? Panigales are like an Italian super model girlfriend with loads of attitude!
Test ride a 600 Jap, you will love it after you are on the Panigale for a while
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let's all wait for a while and see how the package works... we all might be suprised big time...
don't underestimate Showa and a TTX in the rear is a quickly done thing... smaller tire makes it more nimble even more so could opt for steadier angle , calming everything down at the front... bit more empahsis on torque and still 150bhp and some electronics and you'll have to be very fast on your R to beat it... smaller pistons might also allow for some more tuning then the yeti size Pani ones..
don't underestimate Showa and a TTX in the rear is a quickly done thing... smaller tire makes it more nimble even more so could opt for steadier angle , calming everything down at the front... bit more empahsis on torque and still 150bhp and some electronics and you'll have to be very fast on your R to beat it... smaller pistons might also allow for some more tuning then the yeti size Pani ones..
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If you wanted a Ducati all along nothing I say here would change your mind!
There is a massive difference between a Diavel and a Panigale, yes, they are both fast bikes but I was referring more to its usabilty as your first bike. Diavels are comfortable and you can live with them every day, Panigales are not especially for some one who does not have experience with faster sport bikes and we are talking the Panigale here, not any other bike!
Did you test ride if before deciding to go for it or was it merely the looks of it that got you!?!? Panigales are like an Italian super model girlfriend with loads of attitude!
Test ride a 600 Jap, you will love it after you are on the Panigale for a while
Thx mali.. I do appreciate your concern.. I was also thinking of getting a used Jap bike dedicated for tracking so I have to see how things go..
For sure I will be taking a lot of advanced riding courses to hone my skills even more..
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It's a gorgeous bike which will open up Panigale ownership to even more people. I'm glad that even more people will have the opportunity, like the rest of us have, to gaze out the cafe window at their beautiful steed gleaming in the sunlight just begging to be ridden hard. What's not to like?
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My answers..
1. I have bought a Panigale R as my first ever bike in the US (have ridden for over 7 yrs back home in India) with delivery next week. This may be outrageous and stupid in some people's views but it was totally an impulse buy due to 2 circumstances that made me take the plunge and I will take my time to enjoy the bike to its fullest....
a) The R that I booked was a spare from a double shipment that my dealership received by mistake (was intended for a dealership in Chicago) which was like huge luck for me and was going to be returned back if no one was going to block it.. It was a no brainer
b) All Ducati models are getting a price hike eff. Oct 1 this year so if I was to wait till next spring 2014 (which was my original plan to buy a bike), I would be paying more for the same bike.
2. I have never done any tracking at all.. I will obviously be taking my time to improve my skill and not focus on pushing my R real hard right away and end up having it damaged. If smaller and cheaper bikes whiz past me I don't give a ....... I would rather focus on improving my skills up first than trying to be a show off on the track
From the little i know, surviving on any bike in India is a great testimony on rider skills....
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Same problem here... I just can't get used to a straight blip less downshift...
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