Ducati 899 Disadvantage

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acowsik said:
In fact all Ducati models are having a price hike for 2014 barring the 899 Pani which is obviously a new model launch.

My dealer said that the new prices take effect Oct 1 2013 and I was really lucky to be able to buy the last 1199 Panigale R that they will get for this year so I escaped the price hike and as its a 2014 MY bike, I hit 2 birds with one stone :D
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Always hit two birds when you can :p
 
found this here on another forum:

<<< The swingarm design was chosen for cost reasons and cost reasons alone. Whilst the tech existed to put an 1199 swingarm on the bike the simple parts cost would have increased the price point of the bike by approximately £1500 sterling and Ducati believed that put the bike far too close to the 1199 in price point. They don't think that the model could compete in this economy at such a price point so the decision was made to use the cast DSSA to reduce costs. Nothing more than that. no conspiracy >>>
 
Stw said:
Totally....But Ducati set the bar really high with the Panigale..err..1199...:p
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Precisely. If nothing else this is a testament to how incredible of an accomplishment it was getting the 1199 to a 362 lb. dry weight. Ducati clearly wanted to maintain their current 848 profit margin while updating the now dated design. Take out the built in standard-ABS option and you're right back to the 848 base MSRP but with an all new design, engine, and enhanced features while maintaining the capability of adding more expensive and lighter parts for an 899 S model. Considering the MV Augusta F3 800 will be retailing at over $18k, I think this is set to be pretty competitive.
 
Okay I have to play the 899 game.

How about this, thanks to the 899 price point the 1199 will likely go up in price (as many have mentioned), in doing so the value should increase for the used market as well. So in turn they are helping our resale by one raising the price of the 1199 and but the price point of the 899. Would you get a new 899 or a nice used 1199... hmmm.

Next, there as to be a 899 Evo in the works. Lighter wheels, Ohlins, ect , this will likely be in the 20k market but my guess is it will come in about 15lbs lighter then the 1199 base.

Last, It seems as the Ducati understand they have a major trump card when it come to the looks. The Panigale's are hands down the best looking bikes out right now. So it would seems the are relying on the fact with the lack of features with the 899, no?

This is fun lol
 
I wouldn't say the introduction of the 899 necessarily increases the 1199's value per se, but it does provide a more accurate reference point of value and establishes a floor that makes it more difficult for the 1199's value to sink excessively. Overall this is a very good thing for 1199 owners.
 
Steve B said:
The 899 is not positioned as a track tool; it is a cheaper, de-contented, civilized/rationalized version of a Ducati SBK with a focus on being more street friendly. All the marketing hype for the 1199 was about track prowess, while the copy you see for the 899 is about being accessible and user friendly.

They clearly haven't built it to be a really sharp tool, but rather one that the bigger market (than the 1199's) will find more accessible. Expect a lot less heat, more comfort, and smoother power delivery. It will likely be a better streetbike for daily use than an 1199, and at $15K with ABS it'll retail for at least $4K less than a base 1199. Should do the trick for a lot of folks, as it's really falling into the slot that Suzuki's GSX-R750 occupies; not cutting edge, but arguably the ideal size for a sportbike. Very similar in power and weight.

Biggest problem I can see for it is competing for customers, at least early on, with discounted 2012 1199's, and even more so, RSV4's which are a grand cheaper!
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Hard to tell Ducati is selling it as a street version of the 1199 as the entire introduction video is shot on the track... just MHO.
 
what video? the rider indicates that he wants to ride the bike TO the track, and also back home from it...


or are we talking different videos?
 
Phil said:
i contacted DNA for this and they forwarded it to the Ducati IT dept.

no change yet though... :confused:
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They still have the special offers listed on the 1199 which expired on July 31st.... I guess they work slowly in Ducati IT...:rolleyes:
 
cosmok said:
Hard to tell Ducati is selling it as a street version of the 1199 as the entire introduction video is shot on the track... just MHO.
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Not really; compare the 1199 "Checkmate" video to the 899 one and read the ad copy on the minisites. Cleary talking up the street-friendliness of the 899 versus track superiority of the 1199. No surprise, as it's exactly the same approach they took with the 848SF versus the 1098SF. Accessibility, usability, etc.

Should be a cracking bike for the street, even if it's not as super sharp a track tool as it might be. Fine by me.
 
Steve B said:
Not really; compare the 1199 "Checkmate" video to the 899 one and read the ad copy on the minisites. Cleary talking up the street-friendliness of the 899 versus track superiority of the 1199. No surprise, as it's exactly the same approach they took with the 848SF versus the 1098SF. Accessibility, usability, etc.

Should be a cracking bike for the street, even if it's not as super sharp a track tool as it might be. Fine by me.
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Betcha it will still go around the track pretty well though! The .5 degree less rake and shorter wheelbase, combined with 180 rear tire, are very attractive changes for the track. Especially for shorter tracks where you can't really stretch the legs on the 1199, the 899 will be an easier bike to ride fast I'll bet.
 
Duck41 said:
Considering the MV Augusta F3 800 will be retailing at over $18k...
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Where did you hear that? The MV Agusta Brutale 800 has been announced that it will retail for $12,499. What does the F3 800 have that justifies $6,000 more?

jarelj said:
Betcha it will still go around the track pretty well though! The .5 degree less rake and shorter wheelbase, combined with 180 rear tire, are very attractive changes for the track. Especially for shorter tracks where you can't really stretch the legs on the 1199, the 899 will be an easier bike to ride fast I'll bet.
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Perhaps "easier to ride fast" but not ultimately faster, even on short tracks, I bet. It used to be smaller, less powerful bikes were faster on track because their powerbands were friendlier to probing the limits, especially exiting a corner. Now in the age of TC, the 1199's power can be controlled be even modest skills. I believe with some geometry changes (lowering the rear/raising the front) and and adjustable steering damper, the base 1199 would still be faster with the same rider around the same track.
 
mali said:
The 899 does not have any slipper clutch
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From the new 899 product page under the description of EBC:

"Engine Brake Control (EBC)
This system works in conjunction with the slipper clutch to prevent and manage rear wheel lock during extreme downchanges. If the system detects rear wheel spin it sends a signal to the engine control unit, which slightly increases rpm until the rear tyre regains a speed matching that of the bike. The EBC has a 3-level operating system, and is integrated into the 3 Riding Modes."

Could be a typo, maybe not.
 
JeffD said:
Where did you hear that? The MV Agusta Brutale 800 has been announced that it will retail for $12,499. What does the F3 800 have that justifies $6,000 more? .
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Purely periodical speculation based on the exchange rate value of the manufacturer's € 13.990 euro price. If they follow the pricing pattern of the Brutale then it could be around $1k less which would still make it approximately $2k more than 899.
 
MrKO said:
Okay I have to play the 899 game.

How about this, thanks to the 899 price point the 1199 will likely go up in price (as many have mentioned), in doing so the value should increase for the used market as well. So in turn they are helping our resale by one raising the price of the 1199 and but the price point of the 899. Would you get a new 899 or a nice used 1199... hmmm.

Next, there as to be a 899 Evo in the works. Lighter wheels, Ohlins, ect , this will likely be in the 20k market but my guess is it will come in about 15lbs lighter then the 1199 base.

Last, It seems as the Ducati understand they have a major trump card when it come to the looks. The Panigale's are hands down the best looking bikes out right now. So it would seems the are relying on the fact with the lack of features with the 899, no?

This is fun lol
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I have an 1199 R and I would say that it is like dating a stripper or centerfold.....something everyone tells you not to do, and you know is probably not your mom's first choice for her baby, but ....! How can you turn down those looks, curves, and how she makes you feel....all used and tired afterwards...lol.
 
Thamer said:
I have an 1199 R and I would say that it is like dating a stripper or centerfold.....something everyone tells you not to do, and you know is probably not your mom's first choice for her baby, but ....! How can you turn down those looks, curves, and how she makes you feel....all used and tired afterwards...lol.
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Seriously, I think the 899 will do fine. I would buy one for sure as a second track bike, or wet track day bike. My buddy does exactly that with his 848 and his Pani, one for the wet, one for the dry.

Better yet buy one for the road, and leave big brother to be the damage dealer on the track.

I'm wondering what parts from both will carry the same part numbers....I mean other than the engine and swing arm you should be able to exchange quite a few bits.

This has been the aviation industry's philosophy for decades. Example 22% of all boeing parts are universal. Cuts down on supply change, and consignment obligations.

Probably a smarter decision to make this bike for them than we think.
 
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899 does not have a slipper clutch just a wet multi-plate clutch, probably similar to what was in the 848 Evo. The EBC description was written for the 1199, which does have a slipper clutch.
 
jarelj said:
Betcha it will still go around the track pretty well though! The .5 degree less rake and shorter wheelbase, combined with 180 rear tire, are very attractive changes for the track. Especially for shorter tracks where you can't really stretch the legs on the 1199, the 899 will be an easier bike to ride fast I'll bet.
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Agreed. Now you guys in the dealer network need to dig around and find out if that front end geometry difference is A) due to a different steering head insert in the airbox/subframe, and B) if the part will fit the 1199... ;)
 
Steve B said:
Agreed. Now you guys in the dealer network need to dig around and find out if that front end geometry difference is A) due to a different steering head insert in the airbox/subframe, and B) if the part will fit the 1199... ;)
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It might fit, but do you want to run a 180 tire on the 1199?
 

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