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Come on. That was funny.

Its my H2. You posted a pic of my supercharger, figured it was fitting.

NOLA
 
I dunno, my Panigale has 195 RWHP and 103 Torque. Its pretty fun being so light.

Except I have to keep them separated. The other day the H2 called the Panigale slow, and the Panigale called the H2 fat.

They got put in time out.

NOLA
 
After reading this entire thread this is what I gather.

1) The FE and SL are said to have the same engine but not same power. Ducati is lying about the power in one of them, otherwise they would have used the same dyno and posted the same number.

2) Most of you are correct in the BHP (Sorry RWHP) doesn't change, but HP is a priceable attribute ( we pay more for the more we get ) Ducati should not overstate HP numbers. Other manufactures have been sued and their BHP (Sorry RWHP) numbers didn't change either

3) Well, i really only had two points.

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Ok Nola that was some funny .... right there. I was hoping to get a 300hp blower motor on a ZX10r platform. They always manage to take the wind out of the sail.
 
AmpForE said:
After reading this entire thread this is what I gather.

1) The FE and SL are said to have the same engine but not same power. Ducati is lying about the power in one of them, otherwise they would have used the same dyno and posted the same number.

2) Most of you are correct in the BHP doesn't change, but HP is a priceable attribute ( we pay more for the more we get ) Ducati should not overstate HP numbers. Other manufactures have been sued and their BHP numbers didn't change either

3) Well, i really only had two points.
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The R-FE engine is described as "1299 Superleggera derived", guess they left some of the go fast parts out.

The only was to resolve this would be to dyno an R-FE and an SL back to back, on the same machine, on the same day and see what the results look like....
 
I felt my R1 has more power then the panigale, but the panigale is way more agile.
 
Halo2 said:
I felt my R1 has more power then the panigale, but the panigale is way more agile.
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i know for a fact the R1 comes detuned (up to 2014 my buddy has one) just getting a full system drops you 22 lbs i believe (could be 19 but doesnt really matter im 230). then you add a tune and the thing buts out close to 195 hp.

all these numbers are bs from the factory everybody knows that. the problem is you cant just change the way you get the numbers and backdate all the older ones when "some" people purchased the item based on these numbers.
 
Worth a read. Ducati lowers power claims | Visordown

Here is a breakdown of the power drops across the range:

959 Panigale – was 157hp, now 150hp (7hp drop)

1299 Panigale – was 205hp, now 197hp (8hp drop)

Panigale R (1198cc) – was 205hp, now 196hp (9hp drop)

Monster 797 – was 75hp, now 73hp (2hp drop)

Monster 821 – was 112hp, now 109hp (3hp drop)

Monster 1200 – was 150hp, now 147hp (3hp drop)

Monster 1200 R – was 160hp, now 152hp (8hp drop)

Diavel – was 162hp, now 152hp (10hp drop)

XDiavel – was 156hp, now 152hp (4hp drop)

Multistrada 950 – was 113hp, now 113hp (unchanged)

Multistrada 1200/Enduro – was 160hp, now 152hp (8hp drop)

Hypermotoard – was 113hp, now 110hp (3hp drop)

SuperSport – was 113hp, now 110hp (3hp drop)

The figures for the 1299 Superleggera (215hp) and 1299 Panigale R Final Edition (209hp) are unaltered.



I can't help feeling that this is convenient timing (to change the measurement method) as it provides a noticeably bigger gap in performance between the 1299/S/R and the FE, than previously, which might help fuel the perception that the cost difference is worth it. Particularly the R to the FE, where the gulf was previously not so wide (from 4bhp to 12bhp a 300% increase!)
 
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topolino said:
I can't help feeling that this is convenient timing (to change the measurement method) as it provides a noticeably bigger gap in performance between the 1299/S/R and the FE, than previously, which might help fuel the perception that the cost difference is worth it. Particularly the R to the FE, where the gulf was previously not so wide (from 4bhp to 12bhp a 300% increase!)
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This is exactly what I said when they changed the website numbers quietly before the FE was officially announced.
 
No one would be complaining/talking about this , had Ducati adjusted the numbers the other way, higher. Whatever # they attach these bikes will still kill you in the blink of an eye, and a VERY SMALL percentage of Panigale owners can get any where near the bikes limit. And I include myself, my bike is faster than me.
 
centeroff said:
No one would be complaining/talking about this , had Ducati adjusted the numbers the other way, higher. Whatever # they attach these bikes will still kill you in the blink of an eye, and a VERY SMALL percentage of Panigale owners can get any where near the bikes limit. And I include myself, my bike is faster than me.
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Don't get me wrong I am not complaining about this, it's merely the cynic in me suggesting that the timing of these adjusted figures, seems to have been engineered to secure more "FE parts bin special" sales, by justifying the price hike with the lure of a more noticeable/tangible hp advantage. For the fickle, that is reason enough to buy one.
 
topolino said:
Don't get me wrong I am not complaining about this, it's merely the cynic in me suggesting that the timing of these adjusted figures, seems to have been engineered to secure more "FE parts bin special" sales, by justifying the price hike with the lure of a more noticeable/tangible hp advantage. For the fickle, that is reason enough to buy one.
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agree 100% and yes we all do buy for the spec. Can we or do we need it, not really unless your a pro racer but that's not the point here. Point is why Ducati lies and changes their # just when the FE comes out? I was thinking of getting the FE myself but currently have a 16 R and can't see the FE having too much more features compare to my bike. Like the exhaust but not worth the add cost. Now if it was true and that close to the 1299 SL I would seriously consider getting one
 
It will be great to see the real world comparisons and difference between the SL, 16R and the new FE when you guys start riding them.
 
Ultimately its a great marketing ploy to bolster the attractiveness of your high end model, by demonstrating it's obvious power advantage (specifically the FE over the "lesser" R). Far easier to make someone part with their money if you are selling them a bike with a 12bhp advantage as opposed to a mere 4bhp, where you might have otherwise thought twice (assuming that is all you base your buying decision on).

The one positive in all this, is at least future models "should" have more representative figures quoted and all test measurements will be carried out using the same equipment and methods across the range.
 
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Wouldn't really matter how the figures are quoted. If the figures given are made by the same means, recorded the in the same manor, the advantage will be the same.

There's still going to be a 12bhp advantage.
Not sure about you guys but I always check independent dyno figures and take any of the manufacturers quotes with a hefty pinch of salt.


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Johnnyflies said:
Wouldn't really matter how the figures are quoted. If the figures given are made by the same means, recorded the in the same manor, the advantage will be the same.

There's still going to be a 12bhp advantage.
Not sure about you guys but I always check independent dyno figures and take any of the manufacturers quotes with a hefty pinch of salt.


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True enough but owners of the 1299/S/R were originally given to believe their bikes were only 4bhp shy of a bike costing almost twice as much (comparing an FE to the price of a 1299 base model). Little incentive to trade-up for such a small advantage, so re-evaluate your measurement methods and bingo 12bhp. All of a sudden £35K seems a tad more worthwhile. I frankly don't give a monkeys as I am not in the market for an FE. Even with this "new" differential in power, it's still seemingly overpriced for what it is. Anniversario buyers I believe will probably get much more bang for their buck in terms of an investment.
 

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