Engine Ice vs. OEM Coolant

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Went for a ride last night with another Pani owner. On the way to the bike night stop, we were at a light and I looked over at his coolant temp gauge. He was running 216 F while I was running 198F, ambient was about 85 F. We had just ridden 15 miles right next to each other to that point.

On the way back home, we were back on the highway when he pulled up alongside and pointed at his dash, meaning for us to compare coolant temps as we were riding along. We had been on the highway about 5 miles in very light traffic doing about 75-80 mph. His read 194 F and mine was 178 F, ambient about 80 F. We checked again 10 miles later while still on the highway and mine was 168 F and I think his was still mid-180's.

Both bikes are 2012 base models, no radiator guards. His has about 12K miles and mine has about 3K miles. He's running Amsoil and I'm running Castrol Power RS R4 10w-50 (Cycle Gear stuff). He's got the OEM coolant and I had mine flushed at the first service and replaced with Engine Ice. I just realized I forgot to check if he's running the rear engine head heat covers. I removed mine and the rear cylinder head is naked (as it should be ;)).

Because of these observations, he's going to change out his coolant first chance, probably to Engine Ice. I'm not making any conclusions until I see his results, but pretty interesting thus far. I know there is a 1199 forum member who swears up and down that Engine Ice was never designed to lower temperatures, it was simply a marketing ploy. I've been skeptical about the effect since I read his post. I did also note that another competitor that I don't remember references coolant temp drops on their packaging, and their graph showed Engine Ice cooling better than regular coolant (of course that product showed the largest temp drop).

I'll report back after he changes his coolant and we go for a ride again and make more observations.
 
Main thing I noticed with my engine ice is it comes down off temps quicker and it does not heat up as quick. Not necessarily changing the mean temp, but it may just be psychological. I think you are getting your bike cooler than he is quicker due to the engine ice. Just a thought.
 
All I say is why wouldn't one use everything offered which is shown to do SOMETHING to lower temps SOMEWHERE in this confection oven of ours?

Yeah yeah Gunny, we all know you've been using it for years already and don't wanna hear it.

Roger that! "Ice Ice Baby!"
 
Because of these observations, he's going to change out his coolant first chance, probably to Engine Ice. I'm not making any conclusions until I see his results, but pretty interesting thus far. I know there is a 1199 forum member who swears up and down that Engine Ice was never designed to lower temperatures, it was simply a marketing ploy. I've been skeptical about the effect since I read his post. I did also note that another competitor that I don't remember references coolant temp drops on their packaging, and their graph showed Engine Ice cooling better than regular coolant (of course that product showed the largest temp drop).

It's propylene glycol. It does have a benefit near boiling temps over ethylene glycol (less subject to cavitation) i.e. oem coolant. But that's because, unlike ethylene, it isn't an antifreeze and so manufacturers use ethyllene glycol.

Neither transfers heat as efficiently as distilled water. Water Wetter improves water because it is a surfactant - it reduces surface tension in water which eliminates or reduces bubbles/cavitation where it contacts metal surfaces (like inside your engine and radiatior.

If you're dead set on Engine Ice, get propylene glycol. It's cheaper. A lot cheaper than when it's packaged as "Engine Ice" and sold at $25 a gallon.

I add antifreeze to mine in the fall when there is a chance it may be left outside (such as an overnight weekend trip) and flush it in the spring and run distilled water with water wetter.
 
It's propylene glycol. It does have a benefit near boiling temps over ethylene glycol (less subject to cavitation) i.e. oem coolant. But that's because, unlike ethylene, it isn't an antifreeze and so manufacturers use ethyllene glycol.

Neither transfers heat as efficiently as distilled water. Water Wetter improves water because it is a surfactant - it reduces surface tension in water which eliminates or reduces bubbles/cavitation where it contacts metal surfaces (like inside your engine and radiatior.

If you're dead set on Engine Ice, get propylene glycol. It's cheaper. A lot cheaper than when it's packaged as "Engine Ice" and sold at $25 a gallon.

I add antifreeze to mine in the fall when there is a chance it may be left outside (such as an overnight weekend trip) and flush it in the spring and run distilled water with water wetter.

Excellent info. I work as a chemical engineer and this is spot on.
 
Any thoughts on Motul Mocool or what is in it? I know not an antifreeze either. I'm putting it in for tracking.
 
dont believe the hype. unless you will be tracking your bike engine ice is a waste of time and money. i wrote an extensive thread of my bike on 2 250 mile runs first run oem second run engine ice. the diy job sucks. read and judge for yourself. i whole heartedly agree ice is worth it if your track riding cause you need triple digits for it to work.

here is my full review. same bike same rider same day time temps same roads

http://ducati1199.com/mechanical-te...review-lucas-slick-mist-speed-wax-review.html
 
dont believe the hype. unless you will be tracking your bike engine ice is a waste of time and money. i wrote an extensive thread of my bike on 2 250 mile runs first run oem second run engine ice. the diy job sucks. read and judge for yourself. i whole heartedly agree ice is worth it if your track riding cause you need triple digits for it to work.

here is my full review. same bike same rider same day time temps same roads

http://ducati1199.com/mechanical-te...review-lucas-slick-mist-speed-wax-review.html

I don't agree, I know you hate working on your bike.
 
actually i dont hate working on the bike i hate how nothing ever goes the way it should and you can see how they didnt think the whole bike out (ex replacing the wind screen). Regardless of the DIY job do you think engine ice is worth it if you dont track your bike
 
dont believe the hype. unless you will be tracking your bike engine ice is a waste of time and money. i wrote an extensive thread of my bike on 2 250 mile runs first run oem second run engine ice. the diy job sucks. read and judge for yourself. i whole heartedly agree ice is worth it if your track riding cause you need triple digits for it to work.

here is my full review. same bike same rider same day time temps same roads

http://ducati1199.com/mechanical-te...review-lucas-slick-mist-speed-wax-review.html

Not my experience with my bike, and I'm not including the story I posted above. I noticed considerable temperature drops after the first service when I had the OEM coolant flushed out with Engine Ice.

I didn't read your review but perhaps our difference in opinion is due to the regional differences. Here in FL, it is so hot and humid most of the time that a few degrees of difference, and the rate at which the temperature drops, can make the comfort level significantly better.

For Floridians or other folks in particularly hot and/or humid areas, the improvements could certainly be worth the cost/effort considering how uncomfortably hot the 1199 can get.
 
actually i dont hate working on the bike i hate how nothing ever goes the way it should and you can see how they didnt think the whole bike out (ex replacing the wind screen). Regardless of the DIY job do you think engine ice is worth it if you dont track your bike

Anything to make the riding cooler, I'll do. Full system, Samco hoses, and Water Wetter. I noticed my bike rarely gets over 217, even in traffic after the hoses and water wetter. COols down incredibly fast.

And yes, nothing works as intended with this bike. Meh, I've gotten over it.
 
That's the setup I run as well full ti system, Samco and water wetter been running that setup in all my Ducs for years now will never go back to the other setups again.


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Anything to make the riding cooler, I'll do. Full system, Samco hoses, and Water Wetter. I noticed my bike rarely gets over 217, even in traffic after the hoses and water wetter. COols down incredibly fast.

And yes, nothing works as intended with this bike. Meh, I've gotten over it.
 
HOLY SMOKES!!!

Talk about bringing a SERIOUSLY Old Thread back to life just to announce a "Ducati Coolant?" LMFAO!! ;)
 
Going to switch to MooCool now,having done trackdays with glycol,im a bit ashamed.
Not good behavior to your fellows. The only excuse i have is a couple of years ago it was below zero at Almeria both at the track and on the transport.
 
Just call Engine Ice - I did, and he (name forgotten, I believe it was the company founder) states himself there are no heat lowering qualities to Engine Ice that a normal antifreeze doesn't have - the main factor that differentiates Engine Ice from all the others, is that it is environmentally friendly

There is also something to be said about "correct operating temperature" that most or all internal combustion motorcycle/auto engines are designed to run optimally at - I believe it is 175(?) to 220(?) without requiring any change to the air/fuel ratio

I tried Engine Ice in 1 of my bikes with no significant temp gauge change for me
 
I changed the coolant couple years ago and added the recommended amount of MoCool or similar.

Zero difference. Waste of time and money. In my humble opinion.
 

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