exhaust for panigale 1199 tricolore

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im just wondering, any of you using the termignoni full system for your panigale?
or maybe other good quality brand for my panigale 1199, because mine only get the slip on termignoni.

thx
 
I'm waiting for Akropovic to release a full system.

Until then the standard system will do.
 
I guess Akrapovic will be better (and Titanium looks so much nicer to me)
But as the Tricolore already have the Termignoni mufflers you just need to order the manifold to get a full system.
 
so do u think akropovic and termig, which one is better???sorry im really noob

After seeing Akro's on other bikes and also on a couple of race 1098's I have say the finish is much better than termi's. The welds look better and normally the Akro systems are lighter.

I've been told the reason for delay in aftermarket exhaust manufacturers getting something for the Panny is due to the inability to hack the stock ECU to upload a new map.

My dealer is aware I want a Akro and has a good relationship with them so I'm hoping for some good news soon.
 
After seeing Akro's on other bikes and also on a couple of race 1098's I have say the finish is much better than termi's. The welds look better and normally the Akro systems are lighter.

I've been told the reason for delay in aftermarket exhaust manufacturers getting something for the Panny is due to the inability to hack the stock ECU to upload a new map.

My dealer is aware I want a Akro and has a good relationship with them so I'm hoping for some good news soon.

thx for the info, please inform me also when the akro is on sale so i will try to get one in Indo
 
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I've been told the reason for delay in aftermarket exhaust manufacturers getting something for the Panny is due to the inability to hack the stock ECU to upload a new map.
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This is a big consideration with respect to the 1199. The ride by wire and integration of the electronic controls for traction control, engine braking control and even possibly the quick shift all mean changing fueling to improve engine performance can potentially negatively impact other features of the bike. In the 1199 there is integration of fuel management and power production with other systems and controls.

At least one tuner has gone to the extent of sawing open an ECU and connecting a test harness to the processor to try to reverse engineer the firmware so the interaction of the 70+ tables which the ECU has can be understood.

No one has a problem uploading a map. The problem is understanding which tables out of the 70+ should be changed and what the values should be changed to. For example, there are tables for fueling in each gear for each cylinder, there is a table which controls overall fueling, and there is a table which controls throttle progressivity. There are accelerometers used to discern acceleration, deceleration, lean and chassis attitude. Without understanding the interdependence and interaction between the tables and values, there is significant risk of making changes that make some things better while making somethings worse. Lastly, of course while tuners can test power output, there is no test for ensuring traction control or ABS works when leaned over on the power, on the brakes or when the rear wheel is sliding, the front wheel is pushing or both are happening.

I've heard that the factory supported superstock teams have 10 more hp than the non-factory teams running the stock ECU or a Motec ECU due to their inability to get as good a tune. Personally, I can't see how a traditional band aid tuning solution like a Power Commander stands a chance of working properly.
 
Dude now THAT is one hell of a post! Great job!
I have a good friend (dealer) who is the main man for doing ECU work for dealerships across the country and is one of those "know it all" type guys when it comes to this type of stuff. Maybe I will send this to him for some insight and reply. Thanks man!
 
This is a big consideration with respect to the 1199. The ride by wire and integration of the electronic controls for traction control, engine braking control and even possibly the quick shift all mean changing fueling to improve engine performance can potentially negatively impact other features of the bike. In the 1199 there is integration of fuel management and power production with other systems and controls.

At least one tuner has gone to the extent of sawing open an ECU and connecting a test harness to the processor to try to reverse engineer the firmware so the interaction of the 70+ tables which the ECU has can be understood.

No one has a problem uploading a map. The problem is understanding which tables out of the 70+ should be changed and what the values should be changed to. For example, there are tables for fueling in each gear for each cylinder, there is a table which controls overall fueling, and there is a table which controls throttle progressivity. There are accelerometers used to discern acceleration, deceleration, lean and chassis attitude. Without understanding the interdependence and interaction between the tables and values, there is significant risk of making changes that make some things better while making somethings worse. Lastly, of course while tuners can test power output, there is no test for ensuring traction control or ABS works when leaned over on the power, on the brakes or when the rear wheel is sliding, the front wheel is pushing or both are happening.

I've heard that the factory supported superstock teams have 10 more hp than the non-factory teams running the stock ECU or a Motec ECU due to their inability to get as good a tune. Personally, I can't see how a traditional band aid tuning solution like a Power Commander stands a chance of working properly.

wow...amazing information....thx a lot for giving me this knowladge
 

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