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I'm disturbed however you are saying a guy that hasn't won more than 2 races a year on average since 2010 has a chance at the championship. Has nothing to do with if I like him or not. It's a fact I will post the stats tomorrow


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We don't need any stats. What part of the verb "competitive" which is how you stated it do you not understand? Not getting 1st place is not "not competitive" it is not winning. You started all this with that very statement. "Not competitive" Those were your exact words. Your issue is that you either misused those words and meant "not winning" or you really do not know what the verb "competitive" means. Today Rossi beat your guy MM. Today Rossi passed Zarco and he passed maverick and except for the mistake, would have won that race. Now see if you can find one person that would agree with you that in proper context of your exact words "not competitive" that Rossi in the premier class today was "not competitive". You loose. Why don't you poll the board and get a count of all the people who would agree with you that Rossi is not competitive in Moto GP. Do it. Let's see how many people see it your way. Remember, not competitive. Unable to compete with. Look it up

Bahahah. Look at the molestation of your own logic where you state the guy hasn't won more than 2 races a year. Lorenzo by classic definition of the word "competitive" and defined by your reasoning is most certainly right now, "not competitive" but he he has won more than 2 races a year since 2010 so is he out now? If Rossi needs to go Lorenzo surely needs to go. What about Danny? Up till last week by your definition, he was not competitive. Hasn't won .... in a long time so does that win last week all of a sudden punch him back into "competitive status" and its OK for him to go back to not making the podium but he get to keep his "competitive" status because he won a race. I guess Cal is competitive also and lets not leave out Jack Miller. All winners right Mark? With your logic Mark we really need to start getting rid of a lot of riders not just Rossi. Zarco needs to go, he has not won a race in 2017. Clearly "not competitive" by your definition. So crap that doesn't leave us with much of a series with all these "uncompetitive" riders what with Rossi gone, Zarco gone, Lorenzo gone, Crashlow gone crap Mark according to your rules of competitiveness, its just MM and Maverick left in the premier class. Dorna is not going to like that.

ok so here are the actual numbers. now dont cry these are facts as it happened already. competitive would mean to be in the realm of winning the championship. these stats are from 2010 to 2016.
wins

year JLO MM Dani Rossi
10 9 - 4 2
11 3 - 3 0
12 6 - 7 0
13 8 6 3 1
14 2 13 1 2
15 7 5 2 4
16 4 5 1 2

those are the total victories ok now lets break them down.

total wins for time period per rider
JLO 39 MM 29 Dani 21 Rossi 10

avg number of wins for time period rounded down can't have half of win
JLO 5 MM 7 dani 3 rossi 1 so i said 2 wins avg its really 1 LOL

Avg number of wins to to win the championship this one is important so i took the total wins for the championship winner and divided them by 6 total years i left out 2011 because none of these riders won

avg wins to win championship 7 so that means you have to avg 7 wins in a year to win the championship rossi avg 1 win.

so as the numbers prove rossi is not competitive and has no chance of winning the championship. if the stars align temp is right and all the alliens fall off he could win A race but A race the championship is not. WOW SOUND LIKE YODA THERE.

thanks for playing endo a good sport you are i must say. to take a whipping by me in the fact department in racing everyday must take its troll (lol see what i did there). you can use big words or whatever you want but as i said years ago rossi will never win another championship as the man is just not competitive.

the rest of your post is just moronic about zarco and guys of that nature. they aren't on the absolute best machinery in motogp. Now if you want to talk these other guys not being competitive for the championship. no they aren't. they are competing for the chance to get on the best machinery to eventually compete for the championship and until then compete against each other seperatly. they aren't competing for the championship we all know this. the other factory teams ducati (which is JLO and dovi are not competitive) suzuki ktm aprilla are not competitive in the championship.
now if you dont understand that then i can't help you
just ask yourself this seriously will rossi win the championship this year. answer ill give it to you NO. has he won since 2010 ill give it to you again NO. reason again ill give it to you THE MAN IS NOT COMPETITIVE and guess what unlike zarco or cal there isn't a better bike for rossi to move up to. if you can't win on the best machinery what is left.

I think it's a bit naive to think Rossi is uncompetitive... you're numbers don't lie but since when does brute speed determine a championship win? Anything can happen in MotoGP, heck even Nicky Hayden won the championship with only 2 wins that season (praying he gets better). Considering Rossi has been the runner up for the last 3 years, im sorry to say, your statement is null. Put it this way, in the last 3 years, Rossi beat everyone but 1 other person on the MotoGP grid... and yet you call him uncompetitive? He must be pretty damn lucky to do it 3 years in a row. Do i think he'll win the championship this year? no, but doesn't mean he's uncompetitive... will he ever win a champtionship again? unlikely, but anything can happen in MotoGP.

mcobraR i think it is a bit naive to think that he is competitive. Ill go based on we agree on 1 thing first. if we do not agree on this one aspect then it doesnt matter what i write.

The MotoGP championship comes down to 4 bikes. 2 factory yamaha 2 factory honda. there is no other team or rider for that matter that will win the title if they arent on 1 of those 4 bikes. can we agree on that much as of today going back to what 2009? now if we do agree that is the case you only have to beat 3 riders to win the title if you are on one of those 4 bikes. Basically stating that no matter what just for showing up you have a 25% chance of winning. can you tell me the last time the 2 factories didnt come in places 1 through 4? i cant think of it.
The honda is an inferior machine this year last year and the year before. its just extreme talent by MM that won him the title last year. Rossi blew the 2015 championship because he couldnt win races. its that simple. JLO had an incredible season and came back to win. rossi could have shut the door on him and won the coveted 10th title but he simply could not win. again if you cant WIN you cant compete. the nicky win a lot of things went into that and that doesnt need to be discussed (tires machinery luck etc) not taking anything away but that was a different time (11 Years ago)

now let me ask you. do you think maverick is competitive? im going to say yes you think so. now if JLO wasnt insulted or butt hurt at yamaha with the rossi drool he would have stayed. where would maverick be knowing rossi was signed for 2 more years? at noncompetitive suzuki. just like zarco is at noncompetitive tech 3. does that mean zarco isnt a great rider no it means he is on machinery (2016 M1) that makes it impossible to win and he doesnt have a chance because there is a guy that cant win on the best machinery but refuses to leave. he did leave in 2011 because he wouldnt accept no 2 status. what happened then?

Back to rossi now the man is in the hunt (notice i didnt say competitive because my above stats prove he cant win) every race because of the machinery. Look at marquez he lost 50 points 2 dnf this year and he is only 7 points behind rossi. thats finishing in front of him twice not that difficult.

what do you think?

flobrandx said:

Uhhhh....now back to our race topic.... I thought Pedro had one hell of a ride coming from 13th and muscling his way through Cal to 3rd.

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nick is that you hahahaha

endodoc said:

Mark. My only point was once again passed over by your inability to process data. Your now interjecting # wins and what not that are not relevant to your original statement which you have chosen to obscure with your emotional instability. Your original contention and one that you just reiterated was that Rossi is washed up and not competitive. In today's race he out qualified your boy fantasy MM. He then passed MM and pulled time on him in the later stage of the race. Rossi then passed Zarco. Then Rossi with 4 to go clocked the fastest lap and then passed Maverick before he .... the bed. If that is truly your rendition of "not competitive" then there is most certainly something not quite right with your analytical skills.

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wait did you just say number of wins dont matter to be competitive.

jwm2k3 said:

Not sure mark419 is a ......., but his constant and unrelenting hatred of Rossi is very tiresome. Its old mark419, change it up, shift your focus, we understand you dont like him.

Ok, hes a ...........

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we have another winner folks the guy with 20 posts that knows me so well to comment on the rossi thread only. i should change my name to Nostradamus as everything i say happens.

endodoc said:

And now back to our regularly scheduled program. Where are all the "Lorenzo's back" folks from last week? Looks like we are set to have a satellite Yamaha and a satellite Honda moving ahead of the Factory Ducati's with more regularity and now Pedrosa seems to be performing well. Ducati doesn't look very strong as a podium contender unless something goes wrong. They could have saved a .... ton by not signing the dream team and keeping the maniac and they would be placing the same. I would not like to be the bean counter who crunched the ROTA data on that deal.

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just to be clear i was never a lorenzo is back guy. not that you said i was but you make a great point.

now i live in fl and it is as hot as can be but is it possible hell has frozen over as me and endo have agreed.

see you in mugello

mark419ny said:

mcobraR i think it is a bit naive to think that he is competitive. Ill go based on we agree on 1 thing first. if we do not agree on this one aspect then it doesnt matter what i write.

The MotoGP championship comes down to 4 bikes. 2 factory yamaha 2 factory honda. there is no other team or rider for that matter that will win the title if they arent on 1 of those 4 bikes. can we agree on that much as of today going back to what 2009? now if we do agree that is the case you only have to beat 3 riders to win the title if you are on one of those 4 bikes. Basically stating that no matter what just for showing up you have a 25% chance of winning. can you tell me the last time the 2 factories didnt come in places 1 through 4? i cant think of it.
The honda is an inferior machine this year last year and the year before. its just extreme talent by MM that won him the title last year. Rossi blew the 2015 championship because he couldnt win races. its that simple. JLO had an incredible season and came back to win. rossi could have shut the door on him and won the coveted 10th title but he simply could not win. again if you cant WIN you cant compete. the nicky win a lot of things went into that and that doesnt need to be discussed (tires machinery luck etc) not taking anything away but that was a different time (11 Years ago)

now let me ask you. do you think maverick is competitive? im going to say yes you think so. now if JLO wasnt insulted or butt hurt at yamaha with the rossi drool he would have stayed. where would maverick be knowing rossi was signed for 2 more years? at noncompetitive suzuki. just like zarco is at noncompetitive tech 3. does that mean zarco isnt a great rider no it means he is on machinery (2016 M1) that makes it impossible to win and he doesnt have a chance because there is a guy that cant win on the best machinery but refuses to leave. he did leave in 2011 because he wouldnt accept no 2 status. what happened then?

Back to rossi now the man is in the hunt (notice i didnt say competitive because my above stats prove he cant win) every race because of the machinery. Look at marquez he lost 50 points 2 dnf this year and he is only 7 points behind rossi. thats finishing in front of him twice not that difficult.

what do you think?

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I see where you're getting here, but even with just 4 bikes, he still beat 2 of them during the last 3 years, that's something you can't ignore, and definitely not 'uncompettive'. Le Mans has proven that with a well setup bike, Rossi can match Vinales' ridiculous speed, and while he screwed up badly, was still pretty competitive to me.
I agree that if Zarco were to hop on the M1 that he might actually do a better job than Rossi, but sadly Yamaha already has a ridiculously fast rider (Vinales) and with a legendary name such as Rossi, with the amount of fans he has, and the amount of people that want him to get the 10th title, the PR he generates is something a manufacturer would be foolish to just throw away. Thats the game of MotoGP now. Does Zarvo or anyone else deserve the M1 seat? I'd say no, only because Rossi didn't get to where he is by chance, he earnt it. He's 38 and taking on people over a decade younger than he... I'd watch that, and so would others.

What a season it has turned out to be! Some really great racing and with no clear run away rider. The last race I was out of my seat with some great passing going on. Padrosa on Cruchlow. Marquez push from 4th. Zarco on worn tires holding on to Maverick. Rossi, the older statesmen still showing he still has fight lift in him.

My friend called shortly after the race mad that Yamaha didn't have team orders to Maverick and Rossi to hold station. I told him I am glad to see both riders fight it out to the end. Would you rather have riders that would settle for 2nd second or fight till the end? I for one was glad to see Rossi still have the aggression to fight for the win at the closing final turns of the race. And look at Maverick, he fought on that last lap so hard he posted a lap record on his final lap! I wish Marqez and Rossi didn't crash, the chase for the title would be even closer.

This has turned out to be a great season so far!

McobraR said:

I see where you're getting here, but even with just 4 bikes, he still beat 2 of them during the last 3 years, that's something you can't ignore, and definitely not 'uncompettive'. Le Mans has proven that with a well setup bike, Rossi can match Vinales' ridiculous speed, and while he screwed up badly, was still pretty competitive to me.
I agree that if Zarco were to hop on the M1 that he might actually do a better job than Rossi, but sadly Yamaha already has a ridiculously fast rider (Vinales) and with a legendary name such as Rossi, with the amount of fans he has, and the amount of people that want him to get the 10th title, the PR he generates is something a manufacturer would be foolish to just throw away. Thats the game of MotoGP now. Does Zarvo or anyone else deserve the M1 seat? I'd say no, only because Rossi didn't get to where he is by chance, he earnt it. He's 38 and taking on people over a decade younger than he... I'd watch that, and so would others.

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so number 2 status at factory yamaha or the second place guy at yamaha 2nd place out of 2 is the loser not the runner up. the former guy at yamaha whoop you every year (50% of the titles) and the other guy (50% of titles went to Marquez) this year maverick will beat you so as i have been saying this guy is not competitive to win the title. win a race maybe win a title no way. as for set up thats pretty funny as his team doesnt even have a baseline setup. they steal mavericks setting as rossi use to steal JLO setting. the championship this year should be between maverick and rossi but rossi has no shot. the M1 is far Superior than any bike out there but rossi cant come close to mave on the same exact bike.
maverick crashed once and was still only a few points behind and would have passed him anyway. as i said before marc is only 7 points behind rossi and he has 2 dnf. that is noncompetitive. i didnt say he is unwatchable i said he has no chance of winning. Im also tired of hearing the age thing. its a built in excuse. just like uttico (whatever his name is) marc is sabotaging rossi in 2015 completely made up.

Blade Runner said:

What a season it has turned out to be! Some really great racing and with no clear run away rider. The last race I was out of my seat with some great passing going on. Padrosa on Cruchlow. Marquez push from 4th. Zarco on worn tires holding on to Maverick. Rossi, the older statesmen still showing he still has fight lift in him.

My friend called shortly after the race mad that Yamaha didn't have team orders to Maverick and Rossi to hold station. I told him I am glad to see both riders fight it out to the end. Would you rather have riders that would settle for 2nd second or fight till the end? I for one was glad to see Rossi still have the aggression to fight for the win at the closing final turns of the race. And look at Maverick, he fought on that last lap so hard he posted a lap record on his final lap! I wish Marqez and Rossi didn't crash, the chase for the title would be even closer.

This has turned out to be a great season so far!

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great call on the team order stuff. i just dont get how your friend said team order. good post.