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Does anyone know what the prices may be on the base and S models? Regarding what some have said that it is wider and or bigger than the current 1299. I also have a 2015 BMW S1000R and a 2016 BMW S1000RR. After looking at the 2008 model compared to my 2016 model, the 2016 model looks like its wider and longer. Meaning the fairings seem wider as each new stage came out and the nose and tail seem longer. Now the 2018 BMW S1000RR is coming out and it seems it went back to its roots. Its now narrow like the 2008 model that came out in munich and the plastic is shorter. I think as these bikes come out they try to make them prettier and prettier and therefore they add width to the plastic as well as length to the nose and tail. And sooner or later they go right back to where they started from. Maybe in year 3 of this 4 cylinder they will refresh the body and maybe frame and it will be thinner and shorter in the fairing area. Maybe Im wrong, but that seems to be the trend with all bikes. Just look at the Honda CBR1000
 
cycler said:
Does anyone know what the prices may be on the base and S models? Regarding what some have said that it is wider and or bigger than the current 1299. I also have a 2015 BMW S1000R and a 2016 BMW S1000RR. After looking at the 2008 model compared to my 2016 model, the 2016 model looks like its wider and longer. Meaning the fairings seem wider as each new stage came out and the nose and tail seem longer. Now the 2018 BMW S1000RR is coming out and it seems it went back to its roots. Its now narrow like the 2008 model that came out in munich and the plastic is shorter. I think as these bikes come out they try to make them prettier and prettier and therefore they add width to the plastic as well as length to the nose and tail. And sooner or later they go right back to where they started from. Maybe in year 3 of this 4 cylinder they will refresh the body and maybe frame and it will be thinner and shorter in the fairing area. Maybe Im wrong, but that seems to be the trend with all bikes. Just look at the Honda CBR1000
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Now I'm really confused!
What were we talking about?
 
jyli19 said:
Theoretically speaking, the v4/L4 design for Ducati is not new since they have been racing it for years now in Motogp. Their direct competition and benchmark is the Aprilia's RSV4. With Desmo value system, Ducati should see high rev limit, hence more peak HP. Also with the frameless design, expect light weight and slimmer body (hopefully a more appealing one). Last, since Ducati has commanded high price point vs Aprilia, we should see some really tricked out parts.

All Theoretically speaking.
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I agree, but what they've done here could be considered a huge cost cutting exercise. All their research into a big twin for WSBK can be shut down. Essentially they can now share the same shed as the MotoGP crowd and it can filter across instead of chasing two completely different designs they now only have to develop one albeit, a road going version.
 
Mutt1979 said:
I agree, but what they've done here could be considered a huge cost cutting exercise. All their research into a big twin for WSBK can be shut down. Essentially they can now share the same shed as the MotoGP crowd and it can filter across instead of chasing two completely different designs they now only have to develop one albeit, a road going version.
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Yes that's right I never thought of that, good point.
 
Mutt1979 said:
I agree, but what they've done here could be considered a huge cost cutting exercise. All their research into a big twin for WSBK can be shut down. Essentially they can now share the same shed as the MotoGP crowd and it can filter across instead of chasing two completely different designs they now only have to develop one albeit, a road going version.
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No doubt, they must realize the synergy of keep the same engine concept in racing and road bikes.

I just hope they don't bump up the price too much for 2018. I think from the 1198 to 1199, it was a $1500 bump. Another $1500 bump to V4 would be a base around $20.5k, looking at $23k+ out the door after tax and fees.
 
Mutt1979 said:
I agree, but what they've done here could be considered a huge cost cutting exercise. All their research into a big twin for WSBK can be shut down. Essentially they can now share the same shed as the MotoGP crowd and it can filter across instead of chasing two completely different designs they now only have to develop one albeit, a road going version.
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Couldn't say I'd agree, though it IS a way to get a cost competitive bike that is also competitive on track, which of course is an essential part of Ducati's marketing DNA. The Panigale has been in production for 6 years, and we have to remember that it was, at inception, something of a Hail Mary effort to make a twin competitive at WSBK level, Ducati having already given up on the idea for MotoGP. To approach the 4's, it took a very high level of development, plus a homologation model with some rather spendy bits, and even then they probably wouldn't have made it without some help from the sanctioning body by way of slightly neutering the 4's.

Going V4 is simply admitting the inevitable, and when you already have that much experience and sunk marketing and development cost, you'd just about have to be nuts not to piggyback off your MotoGP engine, widely acknowledged as the strongest mill on the planet.

That part looks pretty much like a no brainer to me; the controversial part is maintaining the bike as a Panigale, both in name and appearance. I'm among those who'd have preferred more of a departure, with more MotoGP influence, but I can see the branding argument that must've been made for staying closer to the current Panigale. Smacks a bit of automotive-think to me, as those guys are all about common design language and making every vehicle immediately identifiable as theirs. Seen any unique Audi's lately? Me neither. Doesn't make the individual models bad, but it DOES make them less individual; see Supersport... ;)
 
Got some inside information last week,it has outstanding mechanical grip and will be the best superbike by far for track riding. Its is a MotoGp bike for all as i understand.
 
Zelnik said:
Got some inside information last week,it has outstanding mechanical grip and will be the best superbike by far for track riding. Its is a MotoGp bike for all as i understand.
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One can only assume that nobody outside of Ducati has ridden it, so that comes from them. I've never heard a manufacturer announce that they coming out with the second or third best bike in its class :p
 
jjsC6 said:
One can only assume that nobody outside of Ducati has ridden it, so that comes from them. I've never heard a manufacturer announce that they coming out with the second or third best bike in its class :p
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No,the rider dont belong to Ducati.
 
Zelnik said:
No,the rider dont belong to Ducati.
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I'm not sure what you are saying. I get that manufacturers often use riders from their race team (sometimes retired riders) to help sort the bikes, but they are being paid by the manufacturer to do it. My point is that anyone who has ridden the bike is an insider, right?
 
jarelj said:
Pretty cool tail light! :cool:
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Dunno; I've always disliked the vents in the tail section. Figured they don't really do anything functionally, and cost you what would be useful storage. Probably just missing the big man-purse in the tail of my old RC51... :rolleyes:
 
I believe those vents make the bike more aerodynamic - less high speed drag. If they were solid, it would provide more surface for the wind to act against, right?
 

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