Hey mark419ny and whitepani

HP4 reports??

Spoke with him yesterday and he is ALL smiles man!
Don't think you will see much reporting this weekend with good weather. He is out trying to get the 600 miles on it to get past the low rpm restriction.

They are going to say how much they love it and how different it is vs the panigale.

Very smooth planted and secure & predictable, but fast has hell and the DDC makes a huge difference riding on the street.

Not nearly as aggressive as the 1199 nor as loud and mean!

i don't even know where to begin with the hp4. i took it apart today to put on flush mount front turn signals and rad guards. Can you believe not one single fairing bolt stripped or looked like its 10 years old.

the ride is totally different than the 1199. i would compare it to getting 2 cars one stick one duel clutch auto. when your in a stick car you feel it shift and its kind of jerky while the other is silky smooth. now the purists will claim stick is better but if it were better than f1 indy and bmw porsche etc wouldn't make dtc or whatever they want to call their system. think vinyl records vs mp3 just no need for it anymore.
there is no mistakes with the hp4. its constantly sensing your speed, traction abs, lean angle, and suspension. of course you can turn that all off too but after 600 miles when they give you slick mode. its not as loud but sounds good. full Ti exhaust with amazing craftsmanship vs SS termis isn't even fair to compare. (disclaimer saw and heard akra for the 1199 amazing) doesn't break your neck in first 2 gears but just as fast if not faster. the 1199 you know your doing 100 mph the bmw is wow I'm already at 100 when you look down. I'm restricted to 9k rpms and thats where this engine comes alive but it swats me right back down to 8k until i get first service. I can't even imagine what 14k or 15k must be like.

i can see where people would say its boring thats because the bike does everything that you tell it to do exactly how its told. there is no guessing.

ergo the bmw is so much more comfortable to ride vs the 1199 and i was riding next to my friend temps were the same at the light but the bmw doesn't feel as hot.

looks are subjective but both my neighbors said the bmw is better looking than the 1199. i personally like the 1199 looks better its subtle and beautiful. the hp4 says look at me over here very flashy gloss carbon all over blue wheels etc. i guess you can say one is a super model that knows she's hot while the other is a whore saying come .... me.

if i had to choose one and i had to pay for it i would choose the hp4 hands down but i can choose each weekend.

flame on

I'm just guessing here, but your neighbors who prefer the looks of the HP4 must have some unfortunate looking wives.

AntiHero said:

I'm just guessing here, but your neighbors who prefer the looks of the HP4 must have some unfortunate looking wives.

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Now that's funny.

AntiHero said:

I'm just guessing here, but your neighbors who prefer the looks of the HP4 must have some unfortunate looking wives.

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ones a harley rider and the other was the woman an older woman. i guess if they said the 1199 then it would all be ok but since they didn't its wrong too funny

Will you be tracking the bikes

reganc said:

Will you be tracking the bikes

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no i track a ninja zx6r 07. one day i will track when I'm better maybe ill throw the 1199 on the track. the reason is if i had to lose one id rather loose the 1199

mark419ny said:

i don't even know where to begin with the hp4. i took it apart today to put on flush mount front turn signals and rad guards. Can you believe not one single fairing bolt stripped or looked like its 10 years old.

the ride is totally different than the 1199. i would compare it to getting 2 cars one stick one duel clutch auto. when your in a stick car you feel it shift and its kind of jerky while the other is silky smooth. now the purists will claim stick is better but if it were better than f1 indy and bmw porsche etc wouldn't make dtc or whatever they want to call their system. think vinyl records vs mp3 just no need for it anymore.
there is no mistakes with the hp4. its constantly sensing your speed, traction abs, lean angle, and suspension. of course you can turn that all off too but after 600 miles when they give you slick mode. its not as loud but sounds good. full Ti exhaust with amazing craftsmanship vs SS termis isn't even fair to compare. (disclaimer saw and heard akra for the 1199 amazing) doesn't break your neck in first 2 gears but just as fast if not faster. the 1199 you know your doing 100 mph the bmw is wow I'm already at 100 when you look down. I'm restricted to 9k rpms and thats where this engine comes alive but it swats me right back down to 8k until i get first service. I can't even imagine what 14k or 15k must be like.

i can see where people would say its boring thats because the bike does everything that you tell it to do exactly how its told. there is no guessing.

ergo the bmw is so much more comfortable to ride vs the 1199 and i was riding next to my friend temps were the same at the light but the bmw doesn't feel as hot.

looks are subjective but both my neighbors said the bmw is better looking than the 1199. i personally like the 1199 looks better its subtle and beautiful. the hp4 says look at me over here very flashy gloss carbon all over blue wheels etc. i guess you can say one is a super model that knows she's hot while the other is a whore saying come .... me.

if i had to choose one and i had to pay for it i would choose the hp4 hands down but i can choose each weekend.

flame on

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Great recap & perspective.... It's really not fair to compare the two bikes as they are soooooo dramatically different.

The 1199 is raw, aggressive, loud and I would say you have to work a little harder to go as fast as the HP4.

All the gadgets on the HP4, make it as easier bike to ride fast. Plan and simple the electronics are amazing, so yes it can be boring to ride, as it doesn't require all your attention & does what it's told.

The 1199 does turn in easier, as it is lighter, we are very fortunate to have two companies make such awesome toys for us.

The one thing I would like to do is make the HP4 lighter.... I am going do wheels, lightweight battery & anything else reasonable to get it as light as possible. They that thing would be even more amazing.

I would have a hard time picking only one, as they are both very fun in different ways.... Most weekends, I ride both, so I am very lucky....

You cannot go wrong with either one....

That is until you ride the 1199 SL....lol.

Again congrats and enjoy your new toy!

Thanks Mark! Have you owned or ridden a RSV4 and if so can you compare it to the HP4? I'm thinking of getting off my Factory and on to a HP4.

iamlance said:

Thanks Mark! Have you owned or ridden a RSV4 and if so can you compare it to the HP4? I'm thinking of getting off my Factory and on to a HP4.

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never had an aprilla. my friend loves the rsv4. i never road one. i can say this i can't even imagine 13k 14k 15k rpms ask white pani he had first service. hell he is 5640 and I'm 5641

you cannot go wrong with the bmw period. go over to the bmw forum read what they say. they don't bash the pani like people here do on the bmw. all they say here is the bmw is ugly. they don't say it doesn't perform they don't say its not fast they don't say its not comfortable. they may say its boring. i guess being silky smooth and knowing exactly what the bike is going to do every time is boring. the hp4 is a gorgeous bike. do i like the look of the 1199 better ehhh slightly but by no means is the hp4 ugly. that being said i wouldn't buy an s1000rr though so its the paint the carbon the wheels etc. i guess the bmw guys have nothing to prove they have been winning reviews since 2009 or 2010 i forget . when you have 3 years to develop a bike and can't beat it i mean can't come in second. i mean come in third you have to spout off and be defensive i understand.

or you can read what bigboost said. he is spot on and has an amazing collection of toys by his signature.

thank you big boost

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I'm just guessing here, but your neighbors who prefer the looks of the HP4 must have some unfortunate looking wives.

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so you want the perfect 10 and thats understandable but i ask you. would you rather the perfect 10 model that only screws you sometimes and its in missionary. doesn't get along with your friends and nags you constantly and is constantly asking you for money.

or do you want the 9 that cooks during the football game for you and your friends, screws you everyday, wakes you up with a bj and goes to work in the morning.

oh unless you are big boost then he has all of the above

its not a big deal really so what the bmw is a better performing cheaper more reliable flat out better bike. it doesn't mean that ducati is bad. far from it. most of us can't extract anywhere near the capabilities of the bikes out there. for those who can great. for those who can't get what you like.

obviously both are amazing bikes and we on this forum are lucky to have one or more of them. just cause my opinion is what it is and yours is what yours is (being general) doesn't mean either is wrong but to say the ducati is better than the bmw cause it looks nicer or the bmw sucks is flat out wrong.

mark419ny said:

so you want the perfect 10 and thats understandable but i ask you. would you rather the perfect 10 model that only screws you sometimes and its in missionary. doesn't get along with your friends and nags you constantly and is constantly asking you for money.

or do you want the 9 that cooks during the football game for you and your friends, screws you everyday, wakes you up with a bj and goes to work in the morning.

oh unless you are big boost then he has all of the above

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This man speaks the TRUTH! I haven't laughed this hard in a LONG time from a post..... You have a pretty damn good collection too!

Mark, great to read the comparison! Hope you are having fun this weekend as well!

For anyone to comment that the HP4 is better looking proves the comments about what "Art is"

I'm just guessing here, but your neighbors who prefer the looks of the HP4 must have some unfortunate looking wives.

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That is the understatement of the year!

mark419ny said:

ones a harley rider and the other was the woman an older woman. i guess if they said the 1199 then it would all be ok but since they didn't its wrong too funny

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Exactly!

Now, I totally appreciate your comparison and I do think you have valid points, Mark. But I have to disagree with you about the visual ratings of the bikes--and believe that a few components are missing from the comparison, at least from my experience riding (and staring at) both the S1000RR and the Panigale.






My first polite disagreement: looks. If the Panigale is a 10, the S1000RR is not even close to a 9. More like a 3.9. And I for one will choose to receive a BJ once a month from a 10 over whatever ... a 4 would beg me to have with her. Allow me to explain.

With a race fairing, the S1000 looks great. But the headlights are an uholy violation of every standard of beauty imaginable. Now, there's an argument that you can't argue about beauty. Except, that is, in one area: Symmetry.

Humans (and other species of mammals) find symmetrical patterns more attractive than asymmetrical ones. These preferences may appear in response to biological signals (1–3), or in situations where there is no obvious signalling context, such as exploratory behaviour (4,5) and human aesthetic response to pattern (6–8). It has been proposed (9,10) that preferences for symmetry have evolved in animals because the degree of symmetry in signals indicates the signaller's quality. By contrast, we show here that symmetry preferences may arise as a by-product of the need to recognize objects irrespective of their position and orientation in the visual field. The existence of sensory biases for symmetry may have been exploited independently by natural selection acting on biological signals and by human artistic innovation. This may account for the observed convergence on symmetrical forms in nature and decorative art(11).

1. Møller, A. P. Nature 357, 238−240 (1992). | Article | PubMed | ISI |
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6. Berlyne, D. E. Aesthetics and Psychobiology (Appleton, New York, 1971).
7. Hubbell, M. B. Am. J. Psychol. 53, 46−69 (1940).
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11. Gombrich, E. H. The Sense of Order 2nd edn (Phaidon, London, 1984).

Because we select our mates (primarily visually), it is theorized that an optic bias towards symmetry is biological: symmetry = good genes, good health. asymmetry = bad genes, illness. Tons of data supports the theory that symmetrical faces are rated as healthier than less symmetrical faces. Furthermore, more symmetrical faces are perceived to be conscientious and agreeable, while asymmetrical faces (especially when the asymmetry is related to the eyes) rank high on the perceived level of neuroticism.

That a manufacture of motorcycles is oblivious to a large body of highly documented, scientific evidence that it could use to its advantage in selling motorcycles is marginally inexcusable. But you don't need science to tell you that the 'face' of the S1000RR = Uncle-Leo levels of bat ....-crazy, which s inexcusable from a design or business perspective. Now, I'm not saying that one should make a decision to buy a bike based on purely superficial reasons. But I find it completely justifiable for someone to NOT buy a bike (or car or phone or whatever) because they're physically repulsed by its appearance. In other words, if she's a great cook, well, make sure she stays in the kitchen and wears gloves before touching my food.

Italian designers have, for a very long time, that a machine can be far more than just a tool to do work. Historically they've understood that our minds and bodies have reactions to sights and sounds that are deep-rooted in our genes. It's what we generally call passion, but more precisely it's that Ducati make bikes with mammalian traits that stimulate our senses and get our blood flowing. And it's not just visual. Hook 100 humans up to electrodes and hormone monitors and 99 of them will experience an adrenaline rush in response to a Ducati snarling at idle; while the motor purrs at 4,000 rpm I imagine blood will reveal a chemical cocktail rivaling the best anti-depressants on the market; and as the purr turns to roaring growl as the engine ascends to redline, the various spectrometers will reveal a god-like mania of compounds surging through the heart and brain.

As for that 1 person out of the study who does not experience any of the above....well, now you know how BMW selects the head of their design team.

Never really understood why some bike manufactures, even if they do a symmetrical front end, they only turn on one headlight... always bothered me seeing bikes like that...well, still does.

Facial Symmetry and Attractiveness

The BMW is a very capable bike. Nobody is arguing otherwise. But BMW could have spent a bit more time to also make it a beautiful bike.

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