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Posting this in the Panigale forum because it’s more active and I’m interested in knowing your experience.

I’m finding it very difficult to hold on to my SFV4 at WOT as I feel like I can’t get enough purchase on the foot pegs. I’m instead forced to rely on my butt until the power band kicks in then I’ll either slide to the back of the seat or have to use my arms to hang on which is far from ideal.

I’m using the DP rearsets, set at maximum height and most rearward but still feel like I want them at least 2 inches backwards for me to properly plant myself with my feet.

On track during corner exit this situation is exaggerated even more… I feel the grip to accelerate harder but I’m reluctant because I feel like the bike will escape from underneath me.

How are you guys dealing with this situation? Or are the ergonomics that different on the Panigale?

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Seems to work pretty well for the guys putting a lot of power to the rear wheel. I have the Race Seat. It’s night and day over no pad.
 
I never had a problem on my SF V4 as far as power moving me off the seat and making me hold tighter. I found it wonderful to come out of tight turns(30ishmph) and go full throttle to let the bike just power past other bikes. No wheelie issues and that was with my ... against the solo seat pad with the stock seat and a set of Gilles pegs, not full rearsets. I'm 6'5 215, so not small by any means.
Wind blast is another story 160-170mph and you need to tuck down as far as possible. The DP windscreen actually does give a small amount of bubble to help with this.
 
endodoc said:
Seems to work pretty well for the guys putting a lot of power to the rear wheel. I have the Race Seat. It’s night and day over no pad.
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I’m sure it’ll remedy the problem but like I said it will without doubt increase tendency to wheelie with all that opposing force far and above the pivot.

It also feels like it would be much better technique to be planted at the feet rather than at the butt. Don’t you agree?


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WyldCFH said:
I never had a problem on my SF V4 as far as power moving me off the seat and making me hold tighter. I found it wonderful to come out of tight turns(30ishmph) and go full throttle to let the bike just power past other bikes. No wheelie issues and that was with my ... against the solo seat pad with the stock seat and a set of Gilles pegs, not full rearsets. I'm 6'5 215, so not small by any means.
Wind blast is another story 160-170mph and you need to tuck down as far as possible. The DP windscreen actually does give a small amount of bubble to help with this.
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Rider weight might be a significant factor here. I’m 6’ and 160lbs so there’s less weight on the seat to stop me from moving and this is compounded by greater acceleration due to less rider weight.


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Don’t know. All I know is why worked for me. My issue was simply me moving rearward when the bike was moving forward. The seat fixed that. It’s obviously very effective as the rear pads seem to be more aggressive than they used to be. Granted body position is going to be a factor. I can see someone in an upright position sitting back in that padded pocket and bringing the front up.
 
endodoc said:
This guy isn’t going anywhere but forward. It’s more of a saddle than a seat
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Agreed but keep in mind that’GP bikes are quite a bit longer than production bikes and are less prone to wheelie in THAT regard. Also from that pic it’s obvious that he has good purchase on the pegs and is using leg strength to almost “stand” the acceleration so to speak.


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If you are getting so much grip the front is coming up, take a couple clicks out of the rear compression or front rebound to test. You may find you can slide back to still get the grip, but not wheelie.
 
WyldCFH said:
If you are getting so much grip the front is coming up, take a couple clicks out of the rear compression or front rebound to test. You may find you can slide back to still get the grip, but not wheelie.
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I think we’re relying on completely different techniques to hold on to the bike. What if for example you’re exiting a second gear hairpin and at considerable lean, you pick the bike up and have enough grip to go full throttle but at this point most of your butt isn’t even on the seat. This is a regular scenario… but if I pinned it in this case without being able to support myself longitudinally with the pegs I’m pretty sure I’d be a spectator soon after lol.


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I'd think if you grab wot on the side of the tire, nothing is going to save you from a pavement excursion.

I am by no means super fast. This is my first track season and I just hit advanced this past November, but the pic below, if not too large, is 2nd gear, 40ish mph @COTA T11. I nail the throttle as I start picking it up.

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WyldCFH said:
I'd think if you grab wot on the side of the tire, nothing is going to save you from a pavement excursion.

I am by no means super fast. This is my first track season and I just hit advanced this past November, but the pic below, if not too large, is 2nd gear, 40ish mph @COTA T11. I nail the throttle as I start picking it up.

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Nice. We’ll have to catch up at COTA sometime - I go almost every event.

Incidentally, I think MotoGP is ~30mph in t11.
 
WyldCFH said:
If you are getting so much grip the front is coming up, take a couple clicks out of the rear compression or front rebound to test. You may find you can slide back to still get the grip, but not wheelie.
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I meant to say add a few clicks of compression on the rear so it doesn't squat as much under throttle, but sliding your body back will give you the grip. Or remove front rebound so when you slide back the front doesn't come up too quickly.
 

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