Holding on at WOT

Alkhater · Feb 4, 2022

RODOLFO said:
I know you want a solution for footpegs grip

but apart from that

2 things that helped me alot were:

race seat it, with back step

and

rolling the throttle slowly, instead of pinning it quickly

i came from a 600 bike, were throttle was ON/OFF

and on the V4, that ment slidding back and wheelie galoure in second and third gear

After almost a year, I started going a bit smoother on the throttle, and now I ride it like a 600 bike with a tone of power

just my 2 cents

i understand what you are asking, and my attack rearsets Can go farther back, but I just don’t feel comfortable managing the controls, with them on the rearward setting

I appreciate your input.

Regarding your first point, I’m trying to avoid relying on seat support for several reasons. First, is that this creates more leverage about the rear wheel and makes the bike more prone to wheelies. Second, it makes it hard to change direction and/or seating position when you’re already sat down… you’d have to push on the pegs adjust your position and then sit again. This upsets the bike and hinders stability.

I feel like an important riding technique is being ignored in this thread… and that is basically during exit the pegs must be used as the foundational support, the butt should only be hovering over the seat. There’s numerous advantages to this technique but I’d rather not go in to them now as I’m at work.

Some quick pics I found on google. If you look at them for a bit you’ll see that very little pressure is put on the seat and the pegs are taking most of the weight.

Also this bike is flipping gorgeous…

Back on topic…

Rolling the throttle on is a band aid imo, as your sacrificing time that could be made assuming that there’s enough tire grip.

I just noticed how far back the pegs are on that Suzuki, damn!

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Alkhater · Feb 4, 2022

Paul G said:
This is a great vid on WOT, again from a world champion.

Congratulations Paul, you’re edging closer to hi-siding into my ignore list. [emoji106]

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Alkhater · Feb 4, 2022

I’ve come to a conclusion and withdraw my initial question. I’m very confident that my solution is in peg positioning.

I’ll add an observation, it’s a theory. The amount of replies I got regarding seat and backstop reliance to accelerate out of corners is probably the reason for a lot of the rear pumping issues I’m reading on this board.

It’s a theory and I can back it up (no pun intended).

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Paul G · Feb 4, 2022

Definitely put me on ignore, but you are telling everyone the answer so why put it to the board when you already know everything and if you think that racers dont use seat/tank grip and its mostly pegs then you are mistaken.

From what I can see your issue is partly that you've got a streetfighter and all the bikes you are using as examples are sportsbikes with fairings and very different riding positions. A Pani's bars are 250 lower and pegs are maybe 30 up and 30 back which is a huge ergo change. The SF is virtually sit up and beg compared to the Pani, but the seat-tank relationship is very similar. Sorry if I didnt read what your height is but Ducatis are pretty roomy, I'm really tall and they fit well. I have had my rearsets 20 up and 15 back from stock for the sole reason to keep my giant sized boots of the deck, made zero difference to WOT grip. If you think its all pegs then adjust your pegs and find out, if its bars then ditto. It's not rocket science to change peg position.

Alkhater · Feb 4, 2022

Paul G said:
Definitely put me on ignore, but you are telling everyone the answer so why put it to the board when you already know everything and if you think that racers dont use seat/tank grip and its mostly pegs then you are mistaken.

From what I can see your issue is partly that you've got a streetfighter and all the bikes you are using as examples are sportsbikes with fairings and very different riding positions. A Pani's bars are 250 lower and pegs are maybe 30 up and 30 back which is a huge ergo change. The SF is virtually sit up and beg compared to the Pani, but the seat-tank relationship is very similar. Sorry if I didnt read what your height is but Ducatis are pretty roomy, I'm really tall and they fit well. I have had my rearsets 20 up and 15 back from stock for the sole reason to keep my giant sized boots of the deck, made zero difference to WOT grip. If you think its all pegs then adjust your pegs and find out, if its bars then ditto. It's not rocket science to change peg position.

No! I obviously came to realize the problem after I posted the question; hence my withdrawal.

My DP pegs are adjusted as far back and up as they go and have now confirmed that the Pani sets are different.

Blaming the bike control positions is a viable explanation at this point. I thought there wasn’t much difference between the SF and Pani besides the handlebars. I guess there is.

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Mattysals · Feb 5, 2022

Tank extender on mine, I was having the same issue. Extender took up some seat space and keeps my ... from flying around on corner exit

Fry · Feb 5, 2022

@Mattysals cool bike! I see numbers on it.

Do you race CVMA? If so, what classes. I think we're connected on Insta but haven't met in person. I'll look for your bike around.

As for the thread topic, how to hold on at WOT, I don't know how, it just kind of happens somehow during the angry wrestling match. I do think that making a serious effort to get into a tight tuck as you get the bike upright enough and really open the throttle may be helpful to holding on. In my quest for higher top speeds, I put a lot of emphasis on my tuck and this seems to push my butt way back almost to the stops, and reduce a lot of air drag pushing on your body. I'm talking chest on the tank, arms hugging the tank, legs gripping the tank, being as small and compact as possible. Somehow, this phase works for me, as far as being barely able to do it physically over the course of a day.

Additionally, as I'm learning to race and go faster, I am becoming a BIG believer that getting to WOT this perhaps the most important factor toward good lap times. I find this very difficult on the Panigale V4, but when I'm on it in qualifying and make a conscious and concerted effort to the hit the throttle stops, even on 2 or 3 of the intermediate or shorter straights, it's usually always good for a PR lap time. Getting to WOT more often and earlier is my current focus. Of course, this is easier said than done. Bike are rad!

The pic is me at New Racer School, nipping a guy at the line in our mock race. I believe a solid tuck helps out a lot.

Racer 2 - Mock Race - CVR_7454_Feb2621_505PM_CaliPhoto.jpg

Mattysals · Feb 5, 2022

Fry said:
@Mattysals cool bike! I see numbers on it. Do you race CVMA? If so, what classes. I think we're connected on Insta but haven't met in person. I'll look for your bike around.

As for the thread topic, how to hold on at WOT, I don't know how, it just kind of happens somehow during the angry wrestling match. I do think that making a serious effort to get into a tight tuck as you get the bike upright enough and really open the throttle may be helpful to holding on. In my quest for higher top speeds, I put a lot of emphasis on my tuck and this seems to push my butt way back almost to the stops, and reduce a lot of air drag pushing on your body. I'm talking chest on the tank, arms hugging the tank, legs gripping the tank, being as small and compact as possible. Somehow, this phase works for me, as far as being barely able to do it physically over the course of a day. Additionally, as I'm learning to race and go faster, I am becoming a BIG believer that getting to WOT this perhaps the most important factor toward good lap times. I find this very difficult on the Panigale V4, but when I'm on it in qualifying and make a conscious and concerted effort to the hit the throttle stops, even on 2 or 3 of the intermediate or shorter straights, it's usually always good for a PR lap time. Getting to WOT more often and earlier is my current focus. Of course, this is easier said than done. Bike are rad!

The pic is me at New Racer School, nipping a guy at the line in our mock race. I believe a solid tuck helps out a lot.
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Unfortunately I just totaled it at chuck haha what times are you running out there?

Fry · Feb 6, 2022

Mattysals said:
Unfortunately I just totaled it at chuck haha what times are you running out there?

Oh, shoot, I did recall hearing of this! Sorry man. Injured A-C joint and bikes are repairable/replaceable...?
My best is 1:54.5. I've been in the 54's a bunch in morning qualifying sessions but my race pace is dog-doo-doo in the afternoons, like 2-3 seconds slower. I've got lots to figure out yet.

TomFoolery · Feb 6, 2022

Fry said:
Oh, shoot, I did recall hearing of this! Sorry man. Injured A-C joint and bikes are repairable/replaceable...?
My best is 1:54.5. I've been in the 54's a bunch in morning qualifying sessions but my race pace is dog-doo-doo in the afternoons, like 2-3 seconds slower. I've got lots to figure out yet.

If your race pace is slower than practice, it is usually down to your passing game. Gotta get dirty with it and get in there at close quarters! That's the single best thing racing taught me is to pass and hold your nerve as you get passed by faster riders.

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