how to hang off

You will get there soon enough I'm sure. Just slow down and experiment.

Get those eyes up though, it makes everything seem slower. I know it seems odd to have your head down near the curbing, but you shouldn't actually be looking at it directly, just in the peripherals of your vision. It comes with practice, the first few times I worked on it spooked me out too. As you relax, it becomes more natural. The other thing you will notice is everything simply slows down and becomes less fatiguing the more you use your body to work with the bike. I work on this constantly, despite being in pretty good athletic shape, riding was tiring me out a lot quicker than it should. It was all due to tensing up too much and fighting my own body everywhere.

In regards to the general philosophy of weight placement, I forget which instructor said this to me, but it has remained in my mind ever since. "What do you think makes more of a difference to the bike, a couple of clicks on some adjustors or the 200+ pounds of human on top of it that's upsetting it?"

Couple of good books:

A twist of the wrist volume 1 and 2.

sifubs said:

Couple of good books:

A twist of the wrist volume 1 and 2.

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Lemme know if my friend needs to send you a copy

Phl said:

Lemme know if my friend needs to send you a copy

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No thanks.

Doing my best to get off the bike yesterday

sifubs said:

Couple of good books:

A twist of the wrist volume 1 and 2.

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Got them , read them. Vid to
Motovudu 1 2 and vid to .. My preferred ..

As someone said : we all know it . It s doing it that s the hard part ..

Kope, I know from experience getting the bars forward helps with these panis. I was having a problem running wide in fast corners. I could get behind them enough to"push" the bars and snap the bike in.
The key to my BP lessons is getting of the tank in braking. The one time that loading the bars is appropriate is under braking. While braking, sit up, push hard on the bars and slide your butt back and over one cheek in the direction of the turn.

Adjusting your bars. Put bike on the rear stand. Loosen bars. get on bike, slide butt back, armpit over center of tanks. outside arm PARALLEL to ground on side of tank, upper are 90 degrees across tank. Adjust bars until you can fit in this "pocket" and your arm is close to a perfect 90 degrees while your forearm is parallel to the ground and your chest is on the tank.
As you get used to this BP you will find all your mid corner inputs will be easily done with your legs and your forearm against the tank. The only thing ergo on these bikes is the tank shape and I can put my arm under the top lip. I and 6 ft, 225 lbs, and my elbow touches my knee and this is how I "check myself" in a corner.
Do a trackday and focus on JUST BP all day. Hell, put it in rain mode, and ride a slower group too. If you invest one or two days in JUST BP it will become muscle memory. But you have to ride slow to do it.

Kope,

I meant no offense, lot of the answers you seek are in the book, some of it became more clear to me after coaching and a re read.

Lock your knees into the tank before braking this helps prevent sliding forward onto tank. Try to get most of the braking forces through your lower body as opposed to your arms.
While accelerating your butt is back
Preparing to brake lock both knees into tank, to accept the braking forces and keep you from sliding forward,at this point you can shift your butt over 1/2 cheek(with both knees locked into tank)
Brake
When ready to turn in (after most of braking is completed and you are trailing off brakes ) push on bar and lower your torso as bike is leaning do this in unison (you can move your knee out at the same time or do this early according to your comfort level)

I would work with a coach as we all know what the finished position should look like but getting there without upsetting the bike can be complicated especially in left to right transitions.

Good luck, and remember not all fast riders can coach/teach effectively and all good coaches/teachers don't have to be super fast or even faster than you, choose wisely. It's all about improving your riding to make you better even if you are already faster than 90% of the riders you meet.

Many top riders in the past rode crossed up, Mick Doohan for example and he was the fastest of his time , body position is only one aspect so don't compromise too much to get the perfect body position at the expense of the other skills you have mastered. It's ideal if you can improve your body position without loosing too much in other areas. And as someone has said before you will have to go slower as your work on perfecting your body position or you will resort to bad habits.

Phl said:

I have the problem with the lower lip of the schuberth, gets stuck on the back hump... Works better with the bell star. Might
Wanna try a different helmet or reducing the hump height on the leathers...

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I have the same problem with Axo leather and Arai Corsair but just on the right turn (funny uhh).

All good advice

Here is a pretty good video that I think thats out there with good explanations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxWBKmfKndI

Workout more and lose weight . You aren't going to be able to hang off unless your core strength is high. I need to take my own advice.

You brain won't let your body hang out more than your body can reasonably expect to get back up and over the bike with ease.

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This is a pic of my boy John from SoCal. He races as well.

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I want that helmet sooooo bad....lol

so guys... give it ot me straight : see any improvement? ... it felt like that.
unfortunatly the road was damp and the one lap i could run , it started to rain. seeing guys fall along the side did not do much for confidance..

but still, it felt better having the bars lower and the the seat back to the stock DP race seat.. i could take Blanchimont in full in 6 the but had found out the pressure on the bars needs more input..

we'll get there...

Definitely looks better than before, but the primary thing that sticks out to me is that you still need to get your upper body down. You look pretty tall, so this may be challenging. Most of us tend to not be as relaxed in our upper body as we should be. This comes mainly through the stability in your lower body. One thing that sometimes helps is imagining that you could let go of the bars. Anyway, below is one of my close-ups that may help with some of the details. Hope this helps!

Hunch more.....body need lower....lower! Lower!
Like shrugging your outside shoulder, dropping your inner shoulder.
Knees need to be higher. Your outside knee must hold against the bike, or ideally the tank's groove.
But yes, better. Well done, progress!

Man, you are huge....

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Hunch more.....body need lower....lower! Lower!
Like shrugging your outside shoulder, dropping your inner shoulder.
Knees need to be higher. Your outside knee must hold against the bike, or ideally the tank's groove.
But yes, better. Well done, progress!

Man, you are huge....

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Agreed . You have a large chassis Kope it's always going to be a issue . Body needs to lower but not if your riding is compromised because of your body shape .

Time to get A tie and fasten it to the triple.

Put you back in C and cruise until you get the comfy feeling.


If you wont do a tie, just lay on that damn tank and don't budge off it, in the slowest group until you feel more natural.

It freaked me out to, and I can admit I had/have the same problem. In the last two years ive worked around it getting down in fast canyons.





What your going to notice is that you will be able to transition between corners much faster bring that body down.


In your shoes I would not even be hanging off at all, until you can keep the body down, without the proper foundation, you cannot build on what you have. Your just adding mistake on top of mistake.


Take this with a grain of salt, your faster then me, I don't get track time.

Kope, I think a lot of the issue as others have noted is just down to your size; simple ergonomics. If you rotate your upper body down per standard form, your arms are going to be scrunched up awkwardly just due to you torso/arm length. I'm only 1.73m tall, and even I think the bars are a bit close for aggressive riding. I'd suggest looking for clipons with mounts that extend the bars further forward (or have some made), plus I'd look at reshaping the seat to make the flatter part longer to buy you some room.

And you have to also consider the physics of the situation; at your size/weight, you are going to get more weight transfer (which is the point after all) with less hanging off than a smaller rider. Forget two cheeks, I'd pretty much have to have both legs off the inside too to get the effect you get with a moderate hangoff. As tall as you are with as much upper body mass, small upper body shifts will make a big difference.

But I wouldn't worry too much about getting way off the bike; best to stay plugged in and in control. Just ask Jorge...

turnone said:

Workout more and lose weight . You aren't going to be able to hang off unless your core strength is high. I need to take my own advice.

You brain won't let your body hang out more than your body can reasonably expect to get back up and over the bike with ease.

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hell, i already lost 22 kgs ' ... legs have always been a weak spot...

Steve B said:

Kope, I think a lot of the issue as others have noted is just down to your size; simple ergonomics. If you rotate your upper body down per standard form, your arms are going to be scrunched up awkwardly just due to you torso/arm length. I'm only 1.73m tall, and even I think the bars are a bit close for aggressive riding. I'd suggest looking for clipons with mounts that extend the bars further forward (or have some made), plus I'd look at reshaping the seat to make the flatter part longer to buy you some room.

And you have to also consider the physics of the situation; at your size/weight, you are going to get more weight transfer (which is the point after all) with less hanging off than a smaller rider. Forget two cheeks, I'd pretty much have to have both legs off the inside too to get the effect you get with a moderate hangoff. As tall as you are with as much upper body mass, small upper body shifts will make a big difference.

But I wouldn't worry too much about getting way off the bike; best to stay plugged in and in control. Just ask Jorge...

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It s that balance i'm after... as think as long as move my upper to the side and focus on pushing the bike up as soon and much as possible, then that will yield much of what i can do.... as i said higher up .. there some fear of overloading that front as well....

the clip ons will run into trouble with the head fairing as it as already a tight story now. but that seat idea could prove usefull..

back to spa next wednesday to what seems is going to be a very wet day.. ..