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imho, any 4-stroke engine that is running without the oil pickup submerged is going to have problems due to lake of lube. (like high sides and sustained vertical wheelies, ect.)
 
Fairly ignorant comparing a motogp effort to a production bike. That bike that “won” today doesn’t share one single component or manufacturing commonality with what Ducati sells.

Additionally, I made no comments as to the enjoyment of riding the brand so the “ear to ear” smiles comments are out of context to the conversation as well, I ride daily. Aside from all that, the facts are that Ducati is for what you get, over priced and very expensive to fix or maintain if you are not a DIY and mechanically not as good an the big three in terms of mechanical components, assembly or consistency. “Just my opinion based on my experience”
 
endodoc said:
Fairly ignorant comparing a motogp effort to a production bike. That bike that “won” today doesn’t share one single component or manufacturing commonality with what Ducati sells.

Additionally, I made no comments as to the enjoyment of riding the brand so the “ear to ear” smiles comments are out of context to the conversation as well, I ride daily. Aside from all that, the facts are that Ducati is for what you get, over priced and very expensive to fix or maintain if you are not a DIY and mechanically not as good an the big three in terms of mechanical components, assembly or consistency. “Just my opinion based on my experience”
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Get yourself a Vespa d-a##
 
LOL TwoWheels Learn to read and understand “content” and “context”. Again, your last post clearly explains your inability to understand those two words. Go play with your Jack Miller Doll and quite posting nonsense. That article is from a lenovo PR page as well. You drank the coolaid man.
 
endodoc said:
LOL TwoWheels Learn to read and understand “content” and “context”. Again, your last post clearly explains your inability to understand those two words. Go play with your Jack Miller Doll and quite posting nonsense. That article is from a lenovo PR page as well. You drank the coolaid man.
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Let mama change your diper idiot - you are on the wrong forum, cash stricken POS.
 
Great post. Your the one who started the “bad news thread” in the first place. What an idiot.
 
TwoWheels said:
Let mama change your diper idiot - you are on the wrong forum, cash stricken POS.
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Calm down, we don't care about how much money you spent joining the club! ;):):Do_O

What does a motogp bike cost you may well ask? The first google item says $4,000,000. Now for for that kind of wallet candy you can have a pretty outstanding machine, for 30k not so much. There is no comparison with motogp and street except what wins on Sunday sells on Monday. The manufacturers aren't there just for glory, its all about moving product. I'll bet that if you put Ducati fairings, Marchesini rims, and a barky akra on any of the Jap fours and rebadged it as a Ducati, most people would think it was an improvement- especially after 30 or 40k miles!

Ducati have really identified a market for bike snobs as well as true aficionados, the twin had quirky trad appeal but it has never been the ultimate sports bike in terms of performance. What is has in buckets is character as well as acceptable speed. My favourite comment is from a guy who had a love affair with an 1199s that switched to an R1 "on the Duke I felt fast, but on the R1 I was fast" The V4 is no doubt a beast but any of the other litre bikes will keep up if not beat it. Its really a case of what colour you prefer for your budget, red for a big wallet or blue for economy.

I love my bike and its been good to me, I love the allure of the racy red Ducati name as well as the sounds, the feel and the whole Ducati experience but I am not fooled for one moment that some guy on a sorted K5 could not eat my lunch at the local track (not that I care). I dont cafe cruise or look to identify with the bike for admiration but I really love the attention the bike gets when I park it somewhere and it starts a conversation. No Suzuki is going to do that or give the smile factor, but then again people on the street love talking about Harleys and the owners absolutely love that particular riding experience!

Reliability has been good for me, re Endo's previous comments; Yep a lot of the quality and simplicity of the Jap products is missing but it's all about utility, if you only need a 20cent fastener to provide acceptable service then why spend $1.20 on it? A Camry will get you to the mall as good as a Bentley, (albeit with a bit more style) Bean counters rule, long gone are the days when tiny Ducati Mechannia took on the big boys and won. Now they are the one of the big boys with a slick marketing dept to reel in those beautiful benjamins.
 
Mick1976 said:
Wow we have another resident expert here yeah 2wheels you should probably get on 3wheels and head over to Ducati Modified.
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He also needs to brush up on his insult skills, diper, that word does not mean what he thinks it means

Diper 1. [ verb ] immerse briefly into a liquid so as to wet, coat, or saturate. Synonyms. dunk douse plunge souse
 
And some get punched in the throat a lot and end up a grumpy old fart

Someone a lot wiser than I once said, if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything!

Which is obviously easier said than done...

What you gonna say if not only does it end up running... but it ends up running harder than yers does???
 
I'm seeing, that perhaps,
  • spilling an espresso into the engine you're making is not the end of the world
  • Some motorcycle pilots need adult supervision online
  • Ducati production photos
  • I need to go take the factory tour and take samples.
I was under the impression that most people buy Ducati because they are hand made. I love that fact. Ferrari are hand made. That's why they are what they are. It's a gorgeous work of artisanal mastery with all the flaws there is also the artistry. They're not the maximum of what they could be imagined, but @KarlKani is sorting that out. This is not the bike to buy if you want it to last 100,000 miles with no flaws. This is the bike you buy because you want to go balls-out with the most extravagant thing you can afford. They could make it in a clean-room and you could add a zero to the price. They could make it in Japan...

CBR1000RR-R Fireblade BASE MSRP $28,500
"Honda sold around 19.3 million motorcycles worldwide in the 2020 fiscal year"
So, no where near as special rare or artistic, even more expensive. But the first oil change is super clean. ok cool.

This is an anecdote, but there's something to this.
When I was on an electric motor project for flying vehicles, we had to push every limit to get to the lightest strongest motor in existence and we did it. However, the only way was hand-made. All machine wound motors were almost 20% less powerful. We could not figure out why and we really wanted to because making stuff by hand is a pain in the ass.

What is that about... Machine learning from observation, analytics, & optimization is hard (depending on the subject) with complex machinery. With artisans it's intuitive. With really talented people you can't turn it off. Does MotoGP really have nothing to do with production? I mean, yes and no. The learning goes back and forth between them.
IMO the human element is definately a good and a bad. If a dude in a mad mood puts that in your bike it sucks, but if someone is there cranking problem solving, optimizing every part with maximum attention, I'll take it.
 
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Vbeeze, that was very well written with an elegant flair. Nicely done. They do indeed build a nice looking motorcycle.
 
Three bond from Ducati Newport Beach $40.99. Yamabond (same Mfg 3 Bond Japan) and better than than the Ducati spec product $9.42. Typical.
 

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