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Mick1976 said:
Wow we have another resident expert here yeah 2wheels you should probably get on 3wheels and head over to Ducati Modified.
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He also needs to brush up on his insult skills, diper, that word does not mean what he thinks it means

Diper 1. [ verb ] immerse briefly into a liquid so as to wet, coat, or saturate. Synonyms. dunk douse plunge souse
 
I'm seeing, that perhaps,
  • spilling an espresso into the engine you're making is not the end of the world
  • Some motorcycle pilots need adult supervision online
  • Ducati production photos
  • I need to go take the factory tour and take samples.
I was under the impression that most people buy Ducati because they are hand made. I love that fact. Ferrari are hand made. That's why they are what they are. It's a gorgeous work of artisanal mastery with all the flaws there is also the artistry. They're not the maximum of what they could be imagined, but @KarlKani is sorting that out. This is not the bike to buy if you want it to last 100,000 miles with no flaws. This is the bike you buy because you want to go balls-out with the most extravagant thing you can afford. They could make it in a clean-room and you could add a zero to the price. They could make it in Japan...

CBR1000RR-R Fireblade BASE MSRP $28,500
"Honda sold around 19.3 million motorcycles worldwide in the 2020 fiscal year"
So, no where near as special rare or artistic, even more expensive. But the first oil change is super clean. ok cool.

This is an anecdote, but there's something to this.
When I was on an electric motor project for flying vehicles, we had to push every limit to get to the lightest strongest motor in existence and we did it. However, the only way was hand-made. All machine wound motors were almost 20% less powerful. We could not figure out why and we really wanted to because making stuff by hand is a pain in the ass.

What is that about... Machine learning from observation, analytics, & optimization is hard (depending on the subject) with complex machinery. With artisans it's intuitive. With really talented people you can't turn it off. Does MotoGP really have nothing to do with production? I mean, yes and no. The learning goes back and forth between them.
IMO the human element is definately a good and a bad. If a dude in a mad mood puts that in your bike it sucks, but if someone is there cranking problem solving, optimizing every part with maximum attention, I'll take it.
 
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Vbeeze, that was very well written with an elegant flair. Nicely done. They do indeed build a nice looking motorcycle.
 
Three bond from Ducati Newport Beach $40.99. Yamabond (same Mfg 3 Bond Japan) and better than than the Ducati spec product $9.42. Typical.
 
Some people buy a motorcycle just for riding it. Others, for riding it as well as, simply owning it. Ducatis fall into the latter group. I loved owning my 2019 Panigale V4S but after riding it on normal roads for more than 20 miles, all I wanted to do was get off it. Could I just own one bike that offered the best ride in the world but did nothing emotionally for me in terms of just going into the garage to eat a sandwich next to it? No way.
 
That's why there are custom bike builders. You get what you want without compromise. My 1299 is the best road going bike I have ever owned. Rode it 5 hrs yesterday without hesitation but it took a decent amount of time and money to get it there. Stock, and without the ability to do my own work, I would never own one or a V4. I just dont from personal experience and working with other Duc owners think they make a very good product for the hype and money. Just my opinion based on building and maintaining these things. My bikes are completely void of any Ducati markings. I don't own any Ducati branded riding gear. I built the bike because I wanted a twin in a SBK package and no one else made one. I have zero brand affiliation or favoritism. If i had to do it over, I would probably build a 1098 as I could care less about all the marketing gimmicks. All of my 1299 "street gimmicks' are turned to the "off" position with exception of the QS and the switch pack has been removed with the exception of a simple turn indicator for legal reasons.
 
Yep, there will be a lot of that. Some of it is because of such low production = high price. Some is maintaining brand identity, some is just dumb. Go around it.

Three bond from Ducati Newport Beach $40.99. Yamabond (same Mfg 3 Bond Japan) and better than than the Ducati spec product $9.42. Typical.
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endodoc said:
That's why there are custom bike builders. You get what you want without compromise. My 1299 is the best road going bike I have ever owned. Rode it 5 hrs yesterday without hesitation but it took a decent amount of time and money to get it there. Stock, and without the ability to do my own work, I would never own one or a V4. I just dont from personal experience and working with other Duc owners think they make a very good product for the hype and money. Just my opinion based on building and maintaining these things. My bikes are completely void of any Ducati markings. I don't own any Ducati branded riding gear. I built the bike because I wanted a twin in a SBK package and no one else made one. I have zero brand affiliation or favoritism. If i had to do it over, I would probably build a 1098 as I could care less about all the marketing gimmicks. All of my 1299 "street gimmicks' are turned to the "off" position with exception of the QS and the switch pack has been removed with the exception of a simple turn indicator for legal reasons.
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That's pretty cool. I like to ride more than I like to wrench, but I know what you mean when you just have to have it the way you want it. It's really cool that you have arrived to that level and can give it the identity you want. I feel like the brand has done so much for cycling innovation it deserves its kudos. I'm not in love with VW, or some of the decisions at the top. I hope they can maintain through this decade. It's going to be a major game changer.

endodoc said:
That's why there are custom bike builders. You get what you want without compromise. My 1299 is the best road going bike I have ever owned. Rode it 5 hrs yesterday without hesitation but it took a decent amount of time and money to get it there. Stock, and without the ability to do my own work, I would never own one or a V4. I just dont from personal experience and working with other Duc owners think they make a very good product for the hype and money. Just my opinion based on building and maintaining these things. My bikes are completely void of any Ducati markings. I don't own any Ducati branded riding gear. I built the bike because I wanted a twin in a SBK package and no one else made one. I have zero brand affiliation or favoritism. If i had to do it over, I would probably build a 1098 as I could care less about all the marketing gimmicks. All of my 1299 "street gimmicks' are turned to the "off" position with exception of the QS and the switch pack has been removed with the exception of a simple turn indicator for legal reasons.
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I know guys who buy bikes, both new and used, and just ride them without touching anything. To me that's like getting in someone else's car and driving it with an awkward seat position, jacked up mirrors, and the radio stuck full blast on a station you don't like.. just isn't appealing.
Part of what I love about owning a motorcycle (and bicycles, and camping trailers, and all kinds of stuff that I tinker with) is that it can be exactly what you want if you spend the time or money (or both).
I was instantly smitten during my SFV4S demo, as the bike was 3/4 of the way of the bike I was already on, but with a ton more potential. I could've said "good enough!" and enjoyed it if I was a normal person.

But making something your own, that is the real joy IMO. And in my case, starting with controls and moving on to performance attributes, I want the bike to react as I expect without having to think about it- there should never be a panic moment because you can't find the lever bite point or are hunting for a gear, or you are surprised at an unexpected power surge or wallowing suspension. The best riders in the world can extract performance out of anything regardless of familiarity but I am not one of those, and I need predictability first. And I love working my way toward that ideal with an excellent platform to start with.
 
Good post Skidrumr. I started in bicycles as well decades ago. Hard to describe to someone who hasn’t ridden a 8k road bike the difference between it and an off the rack unit. Money to spend is nice. Skill sets that can create performance mechanics is also nice. Money and the skill sets, that’s what sets everything apart

Show me the guy here who has the nicest collection of bikes and I guarantee you he out spent everyone but the really phenomenal builds don’t happen without a skilled visionary and one of those with $$, game over. Rolands Desmo flat tracker comes to mind.
 
Without passion, what’s the point? For me the 1299 is an experience that is hard to move past, I can’t outride it. On Sunday I fitted a new rear and went for a 4 hour spin and got blown away yet again- the feeling of grip, the pin point steering, the sound- it just feels incredible. Once you get out riding where the magic happens all else is forgiven.
 
This past weekendI went riding with a group of Ducati club members from Houston, we went to West Texas and spent the weekend.

I rode with a guy who has a 2015 1299, it has 56,000 miles on it. He rode probably 400 miles in two days across some pretty serious terrain, fast and hard. Not one hiccup. Who says these things aren’t built to last? :)


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