is 99 career over?

No, his career is not over. JLo has a methodical approach to riding. I believe he'll get to 100% eventually if his frustrations don't get the best of him.

I thought Ducati signed the wrong man, JLo never struck me a someone who can out-ride the problems of the bike. Stoner, Marquez, Ben Spies in WSBK have proved they can win without the perfect machine while their teammates struggled. JLo was always on competitive machinery.

If JLo does not win a championship with Ducati, Ducati will sign young talent when the contract expires, while he'll be 32. Zarco is definitely an option if Yamaha doesn't make room for him.

I hope he stays in MGP just so the Dear George blogs keep coming

The front is strictly 070 tire. The compounds are what change
I am not sure if it was asymmetrical or not

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Halo2 said:

He treated Yamaha like .... last year if it doesn't work out with ducati goodbye career

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You mean Yamaha treated him like .... right? Offering the same contract to your number 2 rider who has done nothing for you vs the guy who at the time won 50% of the championships.


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mark419ny said:

there are so many guys coming up that its either put up or go away. lets be real the only reason dani is still around is casey retired or it would be marquez and stoner on the repsol

lets continue as you bring up morbidelli and little marquez they are coming. zarco is here and folger is here. crashlow is doing well and they are bringing in (i will butcher the spelling) taka nakagami.

so there are a bunch of guys that i think have to go.
rossi
dani
tito
barber
bautista
smith (i like him but hes done)
both espargaro brothers.
abraham
redding
miller.

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I can't restrain from commenting on your leavers list. It is my very solid opinion that most people do not realize/acknowledge how damn good EVERY rider on the grid is. I mean look at the differences in lap times in scope of the teams that are running the bikes: 2.5-3 sec from pole to last. That is damn close! To have a shot at the title there has to be a good mingle of different factors besides rider's skills that have more to do with the commercial potential of the rider. If you have a good management selling you to good sponsors you have better chance at landing at a stronger team. Merits like how good a rider is at giving useful feedback to mechanics only starts to count from there. Undoubtedly, Rossi is king of all (or most valuable) merits to take a rider to title potential. As said: including but not exhaustively rider skills. JLo is miles away from him when you compare them in this respect as are the riders on your list. And this is why a Moto2 WC will not necessarily excel in GP (eg. Bradl).
And on a side note: the WWF parallel is a good one that holds for all top professional sports with huge commercial potential. For real good racing watch one make series or club racing.

I think this year will be a learning year for him. Next year he will be competitive and back at the front of the pack challenging for the win, unless it's raining of course.

Why do people talk like the Ducati is the same as it was when Stoner was on an 800CC nuclear powered yoke on Bridgestones in 2007? It's a much better bike now than it has been since the year Stoner won it. It didn't take Dovi 5 years to learn to win - the thing is miles better than it was even 2 years ago. I guess it doesn't fit with the usual rhetoric.

Lorenzo's style is sensitive to set up - it always has been. He likes things in a particular way. I'm sure he'll get it working at some point. If not we can let all these world beaters that should replace the whole field besides Marquez and Vinaeles in!

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Why do people talk like the Ducati is the same as it was when Stoner was on an 800CC nuclear powered yoke on Bridgestones in 2007? It's a much better bike now than it has been since the year Stoner won it. It didn't take Dovi 5 years to learn to win - the thing is miles better than it was even 2 years ago. I guess it doesn't fit with the usual rhetoric.

Lorenzo's style is sensitive to set up - it always has been. He likes things in a particular way. I'm sure he'll get it working at some point. If not we can let all these world beaters that should replace the whole field besides Marquez and Vinaeles in!

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This is correct. The current Ducati is completely different than anything Stoner rode (in competition) or Rossi rode. Lorenzo has never had to change/alter his style in MotoGP before, now he has to, while Ducati tries to build a bike closer to what he wants. They'll need to meet somewhere in the middle.

Realistically Ducati might be best positioned in the Michelin era - since the tires have such narrow operating ranges in terms of obtaining grip, setup is key, as is build philosophy. The Hondas seem to do best now in low-grip conditions, while the Yamaha is best in high-grip conditions. The Ducati seems to fall in between, and they might be able to leverage that with good results overall and Hayden their way into a championship - work hard and take the most points you can get consistently.

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Why do people talk like the Ducati is the same as it was when Stoner was on an 800CC nuclear powered yoke on Bridgestones in 2007? It's a much better bike now than it has been since the year Stoner won it. It didn't take Dovi 5 years to learn to win - the thing is miles better than it was even 2 years ago. I guess it doesn't fit with the usual rhetoric.

Lorenzo's style is sensitive to set up - it always has been. He likes things in a particular way. I'm sure he'll get it working at some point. If not we can let all these world beaters that should replace the whole field besides Marquez and Vinaeles in!

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It's all relative to the competition. 2007 Ducati was a step ahead of the field, and they have been dropping off every year since as Yamaha and Honda stepped up their game, until Gigi came to save the program.

Jenny will ride for Ducati again next year, it was a 2 year contract worth around 25 Million American dollars. I do not think anyone with his resume would ride for a satellite team, that's for guys just coming up or test guys for the factory-See Crashlow!!! I could maybe see him riding for Suzuki or KTM in 2019, I would bet he retires after Ducati.Baby Marquez will join his brother in 2019 when Pedrosa gets pushed into retirement , I really believe if Zarco can keep it up he will replace Rossi in 19-20...That's all I got for your questions..

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This is correct. The current Ducati is completely different than anything Stoner rode (in competition) or Rossi rode. Lorenzo has never had to change/alter his style in MotoGP before, now he has to, while Ducati tries to build a bike closer to what he wants. They'll need to meet somewhere in the middle.



Realistically Ducati might be best positioned in the Michelin era - since the tires have such narrow operating ranges in terms of obtaining grip, setup is key, as is build philosophy. The Hondas seem to do best now in low-grip conditions, while the Yamaha is best in high-grip conditions. The Ducati seems to fall in between, and they might be able to leverage that with good results overall and Hayden their way into a championship - work hard and take the most points you can get consistently.

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You forget one very important fact about the Ducati. After 5 years on it for dovi 2 years on it for iaonne and 6 months on it for Lorenzo, Stoner is still the fastest guy on it as we speak. He was the fastest guy on it in 07 and the fastest guy on it in 2010 when he raced it at Valencia. Rossi on the same exact bike wasn't within 3 seconds of Stoner in 2010/11. Now on the gp16 and 17 Stoner is still the fastest on it. Go figure


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You forget one very important fact about the Ducati. After 5 years on it for dovi 2 years on it for iaonne and 6 months on it for Lorenzo, Stoner is still the fastest guy on it as we speak. He was the fastest guy on it in 07 and the fastest guy on it in 2010 when he raced it at Valencia. Rossi on the same exact bike wasn't within 3 seconds of Stoner in 2010/11. Now on the gp16 and 17 Stoner is still the fastest on it. Go figure


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Dovi I looks pretty damn fast and is leading the championship...and if Stoner is faster then he could easily win the title right now on it, correct? So he should get his ass out there right now or just putting up fast laps here and there means jack .....

I would think Ducati will resign JLo without hesitation as this year should be a learning curve and he is a top talented rider with championship wins to prove it. If for some crazy ass reason they didn't resign JLo I'd sign Petrucci if I was Ducati as he has looked pretty strong all year on the Ducati. As for where JLo would go is a god question...I song think he could handle the Honda as it seems temperamental for setup as well, maybe Suzuki?

My point was that the previous poster said the Ducati wasn't the same as 07 which is true but the same guy is still the fastest on it. I would live to see Stoner wild card on the Ducati at Philip island. U heard dovi in the press conference nobody wants him there lol. Can u imagine Stoner winning at pi on the Ducati marquez being second and rossi losing those extra points cause of Stoner dorna would .... itself


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My point was that the previous poster said the Ducati wasn't the same as 07 which is true but the same guy is still the fastest on it. I would live to see Stoner wild card on the Ducati at Philip island. U heard dovi in the press conference nobody wants him there lol. Can u imagine Stoner winning at pi on the Ducati marquez being second and rossi losing those extra points cause of Stoner dorna would .... itself


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Hahaaaa that would be funny and it would be awesome to see him out there!

Stoner's talent, no doubt. Seeing him topping the pre-season timesheet were just astounding. Too much of a _____ (call it what you like) to compete again.

I bet Spies (with his permanently broken body) will race a bike before Stoner does.

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You forget one very important fact about the Ducati. After 5 years on it for dovi 2 years on it for iaonne and 6 months on it for Lorenzo, Stoner is still the fastest guy on it as we speak. He was the fastest guy on it in 07 and the fastest guy on it in 2010 when he raced it at Valencia. Rossi on the same exact bike wasn't within 3 seconds of Stoner in 2010/11. Now on the gp16 and 17 Stoner is still the fastest on it. Go figure


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I didn't forget it. It's irrelevant, just like comparing the 17 bike to the 07 bike Stoner won on a decade ago. They redesigned everything about the bike after Rossi tanked on it. Stoner hasn't raced a Ducati in 7 years. It doesn't matter what he can do on it. Sure he's fast, faster than most, but he isn't racing. Stoner bears no relevance to a conversation about Lorenzo and Ducati. Or was this just a way to get a dig in at Rossi?

If u don't think Stoner doesn't have input on the Ducati ur nuts. Obviously he isn't irrelevant or they would just use piro. the fastest guy on the bike obviously has input. He also called each and every tire problem that happened. He was also right about the Honda. So if you think Stoner doesn't have input why is Ducati paying him to test it. Don't be a hating rossi fan cause Stoner could ride the Ducati and rossi couldn't. If I wanted to put a dig at rossi I would just do it. I don't have to imply anything.
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you having problems with your shoulder? Obviously Your ambition outweighs your talent


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While Mark and I have come to terms and I have acknowledged that he has valid points on Rossi, and other valid points on racing I just can't get into Stoner. I think "the only guy who could win on the Ducati" being his calling card is a bit dated. He never won a 125 or a 250 championship and he never backed up a GP championship while Rossi has done it multiple times and Marquez will probably do it again this year and he always had a Factory ride. He is for sure fast but I just can't put him in the same box as MM,JL or Rossi. And wasn't his good lap time on the first test this year done on different tires than the rest of the guys? He doesn't want to race competitively yet signed up for the 8hr. He didn't come back in 2013 but what were the politics there? Where would Marquez have gone if Stoner stayed?. Again, huge talent but I don't get the mystique. Disclaimer. I know little about racing and I know there are probably some "stats" that show he is a god. Ok. Rossi lost to Hayden by 5 points in 06 and he had 3 DNFs. That was an absolute gift for Hayden and should have given Rossi a 6 in a row run. Stoner wins in 07 again with Rossi having 3 DNFs and then looses 08 and 09 to Rossi. The 08 Laguna race was epic and defining for a lot of fans on how they viewed stoner. The talent comment although reciprocal 10 years from now in the history books will look comical when you compare the global impact of VR vs CS.

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The talent comment although reciprocal 10 years from now in the history books will look comical when you compare the global impact of VR vs CS.

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given the stats and accomplishments on the very day that talent comment was uttered, it was already comical and inane and even disrespectful. today it's looking far worse for the wear. (orange tinted glasses prevent Marktard from appreciating that.)

mark419ny said:

If u don't think Stoner doesn't have input on the Ducati ur nuts. Obviously he isn't irrelevant or they would just use piro. the fastest guy on the bike obviously has input. He also called each and every tire problem that happened. He was also right about the Honda. So if you think Stoner doesn't have input why is Ducati paying him to test it. Don't be a hating rossi fan cause Stoner could ride the Ducati and rossi couldn't. If I wanted to put a dig at rossi I would just do it. I don't have to imply anything.
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Input? Sure. Are they building the bike based on what he says? No. They're paying him to test, not to race. Pirro still does the majority of the testing and the factory racers value his input. I'm sure they value Casey's too, but Gigi isn't going to build a bike based on what a guy who can A) ride anything fast and B) isn't actively racing any longer. He's going to take input in this order" Lorenzo, Dovisioso, Pirro, Stoner.

Stoner is incredibly fast, yes. I like him a lot more now that he's not racing - because he seems overall happier.

By the way, I'm not a Rossi fan. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a Rossi fan. This is a thread, your thread, about Lorenzo and his future on the Ducati. Why not stay on topic. Before you start with your blah blah blah, you're the one who drug this thread, which I'd hoped could be a good discussion, through the mud. Again.