Just saw the 1299 full Akrapovic system at my dealers.

wilkson · May 3, 2015

tcelano said:
Yes, It was still mid-being rigged for track fairings. I have not even thrown a leg over this bike yet. Tore it down immediately following dyno break-in run.

One thing being noticed around the track is dyno run in bikes seem to be getting issues as they are getting older the bikes run in on the road are proving to be more reliable. I run in a series that is prodimatly Ducatis and European bikes it was a discussion being had at our last race meeting .
I get my new bike in a week and will run it in on the road as my last bikes .

Claymore · May 3, 2015

Chaotic said:
So my next question, does the upmap clear any codes?

I ask because I am getting an Akra full EVO exhaust, but I am getting it through my primary Sponsor (not Ducati). So I am sure it will not come with an upmap. But once the exhaust is installed, it will go on the dyno for a tune (for U4.4) with either a Power Commander or RapidBike.

If I don't do the upmap and simply install an exhaust and tuner to get the A/F ratio correct, will their be codes?

Fit a PCV with Autotune and ignition module. Mine now maps per gear per throttle opening. B|

ScrapperX · May 3, 2015

Chaotic said:
Interesting.

I had asked in another thread (even posted a link to the exhaust I wanted to purchase) and I was told it would fit.

Im not sure if its fits or not but thats what the Ducati Mech's told me. They said they tried installing the full but it wouldn't fit I got there at the tail end when they were putting the stock headers back on and added the Akrap slip. But someone posted a pic of a 1299 on this forum (http://ducati1299.com/ducati-1299/20956-just-saw-1299-full-akrapovic-system-my-dealers-6.html) one installed. Im not really sure what the issue was.

Chaotic · May 3, 2015

wilkson said:
I get my new bike in a week and will run it in on the road as my last bikes .

I usually do the same.

I like to get a new bike, perform my own version of a hard break-in on the road and take a few weeks to "bond" with it (get used to the ergos, play with the electronics, get a feel of the brakes etc) and then I will race it.

There are exceptions though. I have bought bikes that went straight from the showroom to my engine builder and once the engine is built, he will break it in on the dyno. But those motors get refreshed every year anyway.

wilkson · May 3, 2015

I have dyno run in 4iL bikes they never seems a issue . The Panigale with its huge Pistons really needs some decent heat cycles and a decent run in period .

bradp51 · May 3, 2015

wilkson said:
One thing being noticed around the track is dyno run in bikes seem to be getting issues as they are getting older the bikes run in on the road are proving to be more reliable. I run in a series that is prodimatly Ducatis and European bikes it was a discussion being had at our last race meeting .
I get my new bike in a week and will run it in on the road as my last bikes .

Hi Wilkson,
Funny seeing this as it reminds me of when this forum started, of all the posts about run in/break in. There were two camps, one for the people who took it easy and basically followed the manufacturer recommendations in the handbook and those that went out and thrashed them (ride it like you stole it crowd) and also the hard run on the dyno.

It is interesting to get the feedback from BEARS that following the recommended procedure may prove better in the long run.

My personal opinion has always been that Mr Ducati knows how the bike should be run in.

Be interesting to see how it all goes as the miles/km get up on the 2012 bikes which were the first.

Chaotic · May 3, 2015

Claymore said:
Fit a PCV with Autotune and ignition module. Mine now maps per gear per throttle opening. B|

I have never liked the Autotune setup.

I always have mine dyno tuned (Livengood Motorsports) and will have separate maps built for pump gas, U4.4 and MR12.

Chaotic · May 3, 2015

bradp51 said:
Hi Wilkson,
Funny seeing this as it reminds me of when this forum started, of all the posts about run in/break in. There were two camps, one for the people who took it easy and basically followed the manufacturer recommendations in the handbook and those that went out and thrashed them (ride it like you stole it crowd) and also the hard run on the dyno.

It is interesting to get the feedback from BEARS that following the recommended procedure may prove better in the long run.

My personal opinion has always been that Mr Ducati knows how the bike should be run in.

Be interesting to see how it all goes as the miles/km get up on the 2012 bikes which were the first.

Personally, I do my own version of a hard break-in. Using a generic red line of 14k RPM, mine will go something like this...

Dino oil in the bike...
0-50 miles = stage the bike up to 6k RPM (slowing increasing the revs, using a lot of engine braking, as I ultimately hit 6k at 50 miles on the odometer).
Change oil/filter
50-100mi = stage the bike up to 10k RPM in the same manner.
Change oil/filter
100-200mi = stage the bike up in the same manner (varying RPM's, lots of engine braking, etc) and reach redline as I hit 200mi on the odometer.
Change oil and filter, this time going with full synthetic Motul 300v.

From then on, I ride it however I want.

I have done that on about 14-15 bikes with no issues. Including my Triumph Sprint ST that is at about 25,000 miles and counting.

Claymore · May 3, 2015

Chaotic said:
I have never liked the Autotune setup.

I always have mine dyno tuned (Livengood Motorsports) and will have separate maps built for pump gas, U4.4 and MR12.

Mine uses the Autotune setup together with Alains capable hand on the Dyno. I take her back every few months or when i can and he downloads the maps made by the Autotune as the new maps to be modified. He allows it a few percent change on those maps (I have never asked him how much) so that it something goes wrong with Autotune it will not destroy the motor. Once Autotune no longer changes the maps you can download it as the last change and you would not need to go back. It gives you accurate maps per gear as it also takes the ram air effect etc in regard. Each to his own of course.

Chaotic · May 5, 2015

I got confirmation from STG that the Akra exhaust doesn't come with the Upmap. It apparently only comes with the purchase of the exhaust through a Ducati Dealer (which I kinda figured, it is the same thing with the Akra map you get when you get the RSV4 exhaust through Aprilia).

So back to my original question, is the upmap needed for anything other than correcting the A/F ratio? In other words, does it clear any codes or anything?

If it is only installed for tuning purposes, I can get the exhaust through my sponsor and then tune the bike with rapidbike or PCV.

Gecko · May 5, 2015

okay, this thread is getting longer and longer.....

just my two cents:
Ducati Akra might be homologated, isn't it?

Ducati Akra full system is not the same as Akra Evo Full system (the one that was available in Jan/Feb for 2650 Euro). Header pipes are different and as far as I can see Ducati still uses steel whereas the Evo system is full Ti. Easy identifyable by the steel clamps on Ducati exhausts. Evo doesn't have any clamps at all.

I had a long chat last week with a Moto2 chief mechanic: what would he install on his panigale (he doesn't have one

), not talking about SSTK stuff. Answer was straight: Akra Evo Full system.

Chaotic · May 5, 2015

I simply want the best exhaust...and if the Akra EVO from the 1199 does fit like everyone says it does, that is what I will get (especially since I can get it through my sponsor).

I just want to know if the Upmap from Ducati is needed to clear any codes, or if it is simply a tuning measure.

Gecko · May 5, 2015

Chaotic said:
I simply want the best exhaust...and if the Akra EVO from the 1199 does fit like everyone says it does, that is what I will get (especially since I can get it through my sponsor).

I just want to know if the Upmap from Ducati is needed to clear any codes, or if it is simply a tuning measure.

Whether it fits the 1299, thats obviously the key question

Nobody answered this so far. Just wait until the first one tried...

Chaotic · May 5, 2015

Of course. Since we are in the 1299 section, I figured that part was assumed.

I was under the impression some people have already fitted the 1199 Akra to a 1299. No?

jogy · May 5, 2015

Chaotic said:
Of course. Since we are in the 1299 section, I figured that part was assumed.

I was under the impression some people have already fitted the 1199 Akra to a 1299. No?

here you go, SPJ did it and it fits according to him:

http://ducati1299.com/ducati-1299/20485-swappable-parts-our-1199-1299-a-5.html

Raaseri · May 5, 2015

Gecko said:
Ducati Akra full system is not the same as Akra Evo Full system (the one that was available in Jan/Feb for 2650 Euro). Header pipes are different and as far as I can see Ducati still uses steel whereas the Evo system is full Ti. Easy identifyable by the steel clamps on Ducati exhausts. Evo doesn't have any clamps at all.

DP Akra is full titanium and do not have clamps. And I would bet some money, that it is actually same pipe, only logos in muffler differ. OEM Akra in R is not the same as DP Akra/Evo Akra.

Phl · May 5, 2015

OEM Akra on 2015 1199R - same like oem cans on the 1199SL:

DP akra:

Fragile · Sep 6, 2015

looks like the Evo Akra full deletes the valve whereas the slip on race cans for the Pani R maintains the valve.

The race can slip on seem to be a nice mod but price is too high, a lot of that money seems to be in the upmap that comes with it. Also the dB killers need repacking after 15K miles or something like that, that's not cheap either for the rebuild. Maybe not rebuild and listen to it get louder and louder over time, haha

b9009b · Sep 6, 2015

Chaotic said:
Of course. Since we are in the 1299 section, I figured that part was assumed.

I was under the impression some people have already fitted the 1199 Akra to a 1299. No?

It fits perfectly fine on the 1299 and will not throw a code dude.. Just get a RB Module or a Custom race map built for it. The Ducati and Akra Evo are completely identical except the DP logo and included upmap.

bradp51 · Sep 7, 2015

b9009b said:
It fits perfectly fine on the 1299 and will not throw a code dude.. Just get a RB Module or a Custom race map built for it. The Ducati and Akra Evo are completely identical except the DP logo and included upmap.

are we forgetting the flapper valve

Just saw the 1299 full Akrapovic system at my dealers.

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