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Just a friendly heads-up and I trust this is taken in the very good faith it is given. View it as know your rights and know your options. As although, this place may seem like the wild wild west/anything goes it probably will not continue to be so.
While this forum is unregulated it represents significant legal risk for the owner and moderator of this forum, it is important to know that when libelous posts are made and to be clear these are usually aggressive personal attacks stating negative assertions as stated "facts" projected onto another member that this is indeed subject to libel legal action. Here in the USA there are many precedents. This is why most forums BAN members that do not confirm to the rules of the forum as it directly opens up the owners and in turn the offender to serious legal actions.
It is important to note that when you created your account you agreed to the rules of this forum. However, that does not mean the forum moderator or offensive members are off the hook.
Rule of thumb, it is one thing stating an opinion it is a completely different thing projecting questionable "fact" on another person, this is in essence libel.
Jointly we need to discourage libel on this forum as one member has personally committed against I and thus places the forum moderator at risk.
Source : Dealing with defamatory posts on your website, forum or blog | SEQ Legal
Dealing with defamatory posts on your website forum or blog
posted by Alasdair Taylor on Sat, 12/01/2008 - 11:35
One of the many legal risks facing you as a web publisher comes from the law of libel: as publisher, you may be liable not only for your own writings, but also for the defamatory comments that users make on your website.
Identifying defamatory posts
How can you identify whether a particular post is defamatory or not?
Over the years the courts have put forward a lot of different tests. A defamatory publication has been defined as: a publication “lowering the plaintiff in the estimation of right-thinking people generally” (Sim v Stretch); “a publication, without justification or lawful excuse, which is calculated to injure the reputation of another, by exposing him to hatred, contempt, or ridicule.” (Cropp v. Tilney); a publication tending to make a person be “shunned and avoided” (Youssoupoff v. MGM Pictures). A wide range of publications may be defamatory – for example, allegations that a person is a thief or a liar, an ..... or fool, corrupt, immoral, an adulterer, carrying a disease, bankrupt or unable to pay his or her debts.
So, any comment on your website that may have a negative effect on a person's reputation (other than a trivial effect) could be problematic.
Standard defences
Of course, there are range of defences which may be available to web publishers in respect of third party defamatory comments.
Probably the most important defence is justification (aka truth). If a defendant can prove that a publication is true, then the defendant will have a complete defence to a libel action. However, it can be difficult, not to mention expensive, to prove the truth of an allegation. As a web publisher, then, you should be wary of relying upon a justification defence.
The defence of “fair comment” is closely related to justification. This defence may be available where the offending statement is a statement of comment rather than fact, is based upon facts which can be proven to be true, and is made in good faith, without malice, on a matter of public interest. Again, a web publisher will often be in a poor position to assess the applicability of a fair comment defence in relation to a statement made by a website user.
In addition there is a special public interest defence (sometimes called Reynolds-style privilege) which could in principle be applicable. However, the scope of this defence is uncertain, and it is not entirely clear how it may apply to website forum or blog comments. In summary, a web publisher should only rely upon one of the standard defences to a libel action where the applicability of the defence is clear (e.g. in the case of an allegation of criminal behaviour, a conviction has been obtained).
Special defences
As well as the standard libel defences, there are special defences under the Ecommerce Directive and the Defamation Act 1996 which may protect web publishers. I will focus here upon the latter defence.
Section 1(1) of the Defamation Act 1996 provides that “In defamation proceedings a person has a defence if he shows that (a) he was not the author, editor or publisher of the statement complained of, (b) he took reasonable care in relation to its publication, and (c) he did not know, and had no reason to believe, that what he did caused or contributed to the publication of a defamatory statement”. This defence should protect a web publisher from defamatory user comments providing the publisher has taken “reasonable care” and has no involvement with or knowledge of the statement. “Reasonable care” may include having terms of use for the forum/comments section of the site which prohibit defamatory posts. In any event, you should act promptly to remove defamatory posts when you become aware of them.
Risk assessment
Of course, some user comments are more risky than others. E.g. a statement on your widely-read political blog that an litigious MP has takes bribes is more risky, by far, than a statement on a blog read only by your friends that your ex is ugly. The internet would be a smaller place, in more ways than one, if all formally defamatory material was suddenly deleted.
While this forum is unregulated it represents significant legal risk for the owner and moderator of this forum, it is important to know that when libelous posts are made and to be clear these are usually aggressive personal attacks stating negative assertions as stated "facts" projected onto another member that this is indeed subject to libel legal action. Here in the USA there are many precedents. This is why most forums BAN members that do not confirm to the rules of the forum as it directly opens up the owners and in turn the offender to serious legal actions.
It is important to note that when you created your account you agreed to the rules of this forum. However, that does not mean the forum moderator or offensive members are off the hook.
Rule of thumb, it is one thing stating an opinion it is a completely different thing projecting questionable "fact" on another person, this is in essence libel.
Jointly we need to discourage libel on this forum as one member has personally committed against I and thus places the forum moderator at risk.
Source : Dealing with defamatory posts on your website, forum or blog | SEQ Legal
Dealing with defamatory posts on your website forum or blog
posted by Alasdair Taylor on Sat, 12/01/2008 - 11:35
One of the many legal risks facing you as a web publisher comes from the law of libel: as publisher, you may be liable not only for your own writings, but also for the defamatory comments that users make on your website.
Identifying defamatory posts
How can you identify whether a particular post is defamatory or not?
Over the years the courts have put forward a lot of different tests. A defamatory publication has been defined as: a publication “lowering the plaintiff in the estimation of right-thinking people generally” (Sim v Stretch); “a publication, without justification or lawful excuse, which is calculated to injure the reputation of another, by exposing him to hatred, contempt, or ridicule.” (Cropp v. Tilney); a publication tending to make a person be “shunned and avoided” (Youssoupoff v. MGM Pictures). A wide range of publications may be defamatory – for example, allegations that a person is a thief or a liar, an ..... or fool, corrupt, immoral, an adulterer, carrying a disease, bankrupt or unable to pay his or her debts.
So, any comment on your website that may have a negative effect on a person's reputation (other than a trivial effect) could be problematic.
Standard defences
Of course, there are range of defences which may be available to web publishers in respect of third party defamatory comments.
Probably the most important defence is justification (aka truth). If a defendant can prove that a publication is true, then the defendant will have a complete defence to a libel action. However, it can be difficult, not to mention expensive, to prove the truth of an allegation. As a web publisher, then, you should be wary of relying upon a justification defence.
The defence of “fair comment” is closely related to justification. This defence may be available where the offending statement is a statement of comment rather than fact, is based upon facts which can be proven to be true, and is made in good faith, without malice, on a matter of public interest. Again, a web publisher will often be in a poor position to assess the applicability of a fair comment defence in relation to a statement made by a website user.
In addition there is a special public interest defence (sometimes called Reynolds-style privilege) which could in principle be applicable. However, the scope of this defence is uncertain, and it is not entirely clear how it may apply to website forum or blog comments. In summary, a web publisher should only rely upon one of the standard defences to a libel action where the applicability of the defence is clear (e.g. in the case of an allegation of criminal behaviour, a conviction has been obtained).
Special defences
As well as the standard libel defences, there are special defences under the Ecommerce Directive and the Defamation Act 1996 which may protect web publishers. I will focus here upon the latter defence.
Section 1(1) of the Defamation Act 1996 provides that “In defamation proceedings a person has a defence if he shows that (a) he was not the author, editor or publisher of the statement complained of, (b) he took reasonable care in relation to its publication, and (c) he did not know, and had no reason to believe, that what he did caused or contributed to the publication of a defamatory statement”. This defence should protect a web publisher from defamatory user comments providing the publisher has taken “reasonable care” and has no involvement with or knowledge of the statement. “Reasonable care” may include having terms of use for the forum/comments section of the site which prohibit defamatory posts. In any event, you should act promptly to remove defamatory posts when you become aware of them.
Risk assessment
Of course, some user comments are more risky than others. E.g. a statement on your widely-read political blog that an litigious MP has takes bribes is more risky, by far, than a statement on a blog read only by your friends that your ex is ugly. The internet would be a smaller place, in more ways than one, if all formally defamatory material was suddenly deleted.
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