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Aprilia's 4 makes 220-230 hp and you can buy this from Aprilia. I believe it was fairly easy to get 220+ out of the Desmo motor so this is not an issue.
 
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Do we think that this might be a head start on the final design, looks like they've planning this for while.;)
 
Is that anything at all to do with Audi or just a random bod making this up? Either way it's a damn good idea haha
 
I actually could see the hp numbers being correct for the WSBK version.

My line of thought here is that the speculation says for current Duc Motogp bikes are producing 280+hp, and the current Duc WSBK are around 230’ish, so if they need to change to a L-4 for a power increase, I would find it reasonable that their design goal would be around 250ish in the WSBK form in 2018. So then we could expect a street “R” version to be around 220ish in hp numbers. I could live with that :-D
 
Is that anything at all to do with Audi or just a random bod making this up? Either way it's a damn good idea haha

I believe it is just a random bod Royal, someone with too much time on their hands, he did quite a good job though.
 
IMO Ducati should start working on their electric superbike to get that ready and competitive when the time comes. And that will come sooner than later. On the other hand, that is a further rationale to bring out a less powerful, street-friendly version of the already developed MotoGP engine and make as much money as possible without much ado and fuss... and let the engineers use their time to turn cable cars into racebikes.
 
if this is true a v4 (dont really care about the hp numbers as anything coming out will be fine) sign me up. i have said for a while now how much can you keep getting out of 2 cylinders. ducati has done a great job with the l twin but its time for a 4.

arent hp wars great. :D
 
I actually could see the hp numbers being correct for the WSBK version.

My line of thought here is that the speculation says for current Duc Motogp bikes are producing 280+hp, and the current Duc WSBK are around 230'ish, so if they need to change to a L-4 for a power increase, I would find it reasonable that their design goal would be around 250ish in the WSBK form in 2018. So then we could expect a street "R" version to be around 220ish in hp numbers. I could live with that :-D

I have not seen anywhere anyone in motogp claiming 280hp.
but I'd like to point out that the engines are limited by fuel consumption, engine limits,and also by tires.
In 2006 or 7 or8 (I can't remember) honda was claiming they were reaching near 250 but found it was too much to be able to put to the ground , so they used the engine management to make more traction out of less power .
so what I'm saying is that every bike on the motogp grid could me manipulated to produce possibly 280hp , but they do not - not sure they'd make one lap at 280hp.

the teams are limited on amount of engines per year so the engines have to be set to make it a certain amount of races , and this is extremely limiting. the 21 liter rule is limiting . the tires are limiting.
from what I've read the riders are the biggest limiting factor on horsepower ... simply put we are past the point where the bikes are faster than the riders ability.
put all these limiting factors I'd doubt there would be any teams on the motogp grid who's bikes produce 250hp on the track. 1. they'd run out of fuel 2. they'd run out of tire. 3. they'd run out of engines 4. they'd run out of talent .
IMHO
 
I have not seen anywhere anyone in motogp claiming 280hp.
but I'd like to point out that the engines are limited by fuel consumption, engine limits,and also by tires.

IMHO

I was basing my thoughts on that KTM's CEO Pierer stated last year (SPEEDWEEK MotoGP - Exklusiv: KTM-Debüt 2016 beim Valencia-GP!) that the RC16 was producing 270hp at that stage in development and that the final version would probably be higher.
Also the article where Hodgson got to try the GP16 on track, stated that the GP16 had over 270hp (Mind blowing! Riding Iannone's GP16! | MCN )

Whether these figures are just bench numbers or what they are using in race trim, will probably never be disclosed to us :)
 
It is expected that the Ducati 1299 Superleggera will be the last model in the Panigale line, with a new superbike expected for the 2018 model year. There are strong indications from A&R sources that the 2018 model year Superbike will have a V4 power plant.

Asphlat's recent info
 
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I have not seen anywhere anyone in motogp claiming 280hp.

I remember that back in 2006 (before MotoGP went down to 800cc engines) HRC officially confirmed that their 990cc V5 engine put out 276hp at the crank shaft. And at that time the Ducati Desmo engines were the most powerful with certainly 280+hp. Remember, that was 10 (ten) years ago! Given the development in coating technology, fuel injection, electronics etc. the manufacturers have probably compensated for the seven engines limitation and 22 liters of fuel they get this season.

Having said that, I think 250hp could be realistic in race trim, but certainly not street legal. Simply because of the f***ing EURO4 regulations regarding both emissions and noise levels.

A V4 starting from 2018 has been (inofficiall) confirmed months ago. Not only my dealer tells me, but also a certain Racing team very close to Ducati Factory.
 
I'm guessing that along with being wider it'll also be heavier.

That's quite a good point Twisted, part of the current bikes appeal is the slim line nature of it compared to the others, it will be interesting to see what they come up with for a four cylinder.......being Ducati and Italian I'm sure it will be pretty if nothing else.
 
I remember that back in 2006 (before MotoGP went down to 800cc engines) HRC officially confirmed that their 990cc V5 engine put out 276hp at the crank shaft. And at that time the Ducati Desmo engines were the most powerful with certainly 280+hp. Remember, that was 10 (ten) years ago! Given the development in coating technology, fuel injection, electronics etc. the manufacturers have probably compensated for the seven engines limitation and 22 liters of fuel they get this season.

Having said that, I think 250hp could be realistic in race trim, but certainly not street legal. Simply because of the f***ing EURO4 regulations regarding both emissions and noise levels.

A V4 starting from 2018 has been (inofficiall) confirmed months ago. Not only my dealer tells me, but also a certain Racing team very close to Ducati Factory.

A certain member on this forum said last year that the v4 was ready to go. I trust him as his connections are verified. The more Ducati denies it, the more I believe it will happen.
 
That's quite a good point Twisted, part of the current bikes appeal is the slim line nature of it compared to the others, it will be interesting to see what they come up with for a four cylinder.......being Ducati and Italian I'm sure it will be pretty if nothing else.
I'm sure they'll come up with something. My RSV4 isn't much wider than my 1199 but, it certainly is heavier.
 
I am not a L4 denier LOL just think the idea that it will be better for us the consumer is misguided.

I doubt it will be realistic in price or maintenance intervals / cost.

I doubt it will be 250 hp

I a little bit of doubt it will be lighter than the current 1299s

I have a strong doubt it will be anywhere near as much fun to ride as the current panigale.

In some ways for me this parallels the motogp dilemma . IIRC they went to the 800cc bike because the manufactures and the riders felt the bikes were getting to fast . public perception of the wimpy 800cc bikes hurt the image of the gp series but ironically the manufactures raised the barr (to the limit) on the motors to produce near 250hp on the small cc bikes.

fast forward to today spec tires, fuel limits and engine limits are done to stop the bikes from reaching their full potential . So no one gets hurt. LOL

the parallel for me is that the perception of the public that 200hp is not enough . this is as crazy as anything I can think of .
This is our own fault - we are going to kill the motorcycle industry .
this will be the death nell for the sport bike. - I kinda feel like its already rang .
 
I doubt it will be realistic in price or maintenance intervals / cost.
What makes you say that? Aprilia's RSV4 isn't any more expensive to maintain than my duc.

I doubt it will be 250 hp
No one is arguing that but, would you really not buy one because it didn't have 250hp? I doubt it.

I have a strong doubt it will be anywhere near as much fun to ride as the current panigale.
Clearly you've never ridden a V4 sportbike? Go take and RSV4 RF for a spin. It'll change your mind!
 
2018 is going to be v4 250 hp
The reason for the change is that they are unable to produce more power out of v twin plus bike has complete change
From a factory rep in Italy

You know what, I don't even know what to do with 205 bhp, f*ck that!!

I would rather have a bike that scares me now and again but still have a smile than one that puts me in a wheel chair.

I have the balls but not the talent, I'll pass on this one.

The 2015 R is the Pani I wanted from the start. Mechanical suspension, an engine that rips, looks to die for and a sound that can't be matched by any other brand....... I can live with that, even if there is better out there
 
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