Marzocchi Fork Advice

jarelj said:

If you're doing a base upgrade, take advantage of the combo deal where you get a TTX GP shock and the NIX30 fork cartridges together for a great price! Comes with springs for your weight. Ohlins started that last year and have kept it going for this year, even with the MKII shock being replaced by the new TTX GP shock and the price did not go up!

We have them:
Ohlins Combo Deal - Panigale

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the only reason the will give you the spring is because they already included in the price you can get the kit for $1099.00 and the spring for $150 that will save you $50. sometime package deal are not that good ( and please dont tell me that they already discounted from msrp because nobody buy ohlins at msrp prices)

I think I paid about $2650-2700 for TTX shock and fork cartridges installed.

Didn't even consider replacing the whole forks.

esmirna8261980 said:

sorry but you are wrong the GP shock is a track only shock, according to dan kyle, the ttx is more street oriented and no the cartridges kit don't come with the spring you can call Dan or ohlins on North Carolina also you guys only looking at the prices of the parts. How about installation that is another $300 to $500 depend on the shop so you only saving couple hundreds dollar

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Im going to step in here for Jarel because the crap you just spewed is getting to me.

The GP shock IS a TTX model. It is just the replacement to the MKII model before it with minor changes. So no, it is no more "track only" orientated than the TTX you speak of since they are essentially the same thing.

And of course the price he just quoted does not include installation, since he would be shipping it out to you. I had my TTX MKII installed and setup for 50 bucks and the cartridges would be about 200. Or, you could just do it yourself and spend 0.

So saving a couple hundred dollars is still pretty significant, I don't care who you are. Jarel's prices are comparable to Dan Kyle's offering.

You could also go the Bitubo route, my ECH 29 pressurized cartridge kit and XXF 61 shock are in route. I paid $2,410 for both, they are built to your specs when you order and I got my email today letting me know they're on the way.

esmirna8261980 said:

sorry but you are wrong the GP shock is a track only shock, according to dan kyle, the ttx is more street oriented and no the cartridges kit don't come with the spring you can call Dan or ohlins on North Carolina also you guys only looking at the prices of the parts. How about installation that is another $300 to $500 depend on the shop so you only saving couple hundreds dollar

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No, sorry. The TTX GP is the ONLY aftermarket shock available from Ohlins for the Panigale now, the TTX MKII was the prior generation version, and now it's been replaced by the TTX GP. There is no "TTX" shock that is street orinted that you referred to. The only difference between "street oriented" and "track oriented" would be the valving inside the shock, hence the TTX36 that comes OEM on the Panigale S and R models has softer valving in it to make it more multi-purpose, and the TTX GP shock will have more track-oriented valving in it. But that doesn't mean you can't use it on the street, the damping curve is just skewed more toward being firm for the track. So the mid-range of the adjustment is set for baseline track use. Turn it down a few clicks on compression and rebound and you have a softer setup for starbucks cruising. We charge $200 to install cartridges if you send us your forks.

esmirna8261980 said:

the only reason the will give you the spring is because they already included in the price you can get the kit for $1099.00 and the spring for $150 that will save you $50. sometime package deal are not that good ( and please dont tell me that they already discounted from msrp because nobody buy ohlins at msrp prices)

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Ohlins USA has minimum advertised pricing, and every AUTHORIZED dealer who gets products from Ohlins USA is required to comply with that or they lose their ability to buy the products. That doesn't mean that the products have to be SOLD at that price, but that is the minimum price they can be advertised at. Dan Kyle gets his products from Europe to bypass Ohlins USA so he can advertise lower prices. There are a LOT of non-Authorized dealers all over the internet and eBay selling Ohlins products. None of them actually stock Ohlins products, none of them have Ohlins technicians on staff, none of them have Ohlins equipment in-house to actually service the products (we have a $3500 Ohlins vacuum bleeding machine, for example), and none of them can actually answer technical questions about the products because they have never worked on them, they simply broker a transaction through a back-door channel to get the products and sell them for a small profit. If you find an AUTHORIZED Ohlins service center you'd like to work with I'm sure you can simply send them an e-mail, call or if you happen to know an Ohlins service center owner on a forum you can PM them and check on price matching for these products.

Pani Dropper said:

Im going to step in here for Jarel because the crap you just spewed is getting to me.

The GP shock IS a TTX model. It is just the replacement to the MKII model before it with minor changes. So no, it is no more "track only" orientated than the TTX you speak of since they are essentially the same thing.

And of course the price he just quoted does not include installation, since he would be shipping it out to you. I had my TTX MKII installed and setup for 50 bucks and the cartridges would be about 200. Or, you could just do it yourself and spend 0.

So saving a couple hundred dollars is still pretty significant, I don't care who you are. Jarel's prices are comparable to Dan Kyle's offering.

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So you are going to tell me that installing a cartridges kit is easy?? lol when you dont know what you doing anything is possible, for what I can tell if you pay $50 to get your shock installed (which is easy than checking air pressure on you tire ) you dont have a clued what is to replaced your internal. even Dan Kyle charge you like $250. to put it on and you still need to pay to taken out and shipping . I did my fork my self i dont pay for ....!!!


This was my suggestion to the OP because I when to this dilemma before I dont see you upgrading you fork like I did? so why are you getting so angry?, let me express my opinion this is a free forum please.

Can't we all just get along?...lol. Kx450msn you should save your money for now and shop around for a while...there are always good deals to be had.

I don't know Jarelj, but being in the business he is in I have to believe that he is more than a little pedantic about bikes and has knowledge about the stuff.

The only advice I can give about getting an "expert" to do your forks is that things tend to fail under load, meaning that when a demand is put on a system, for example braking really hard for an apex and the forks not compressing properly. I would have to say that that would suck really bad! Would you go to a doctor that does surgery a dozen times a year, or the guy that does 300 surgeries a year?

Moreover, if you were going to be in a liability situation with your bike, would you want it to be your fault, or the experts? I've seen guys do their own work and do it well, but these guys happen to be in industries that help them better understand what they are doing. If your unsure, or just want piece of mind definitely wait and get it done properly.

Now to change the subject slightly.....can the OEM Ohlins shock be upgraded to the GP, or is it a completely different shock? How would you get rid of the error codes on your dash if you went to a manual shock system?

Thanks.

Thamer said:

Can't we all just get along?...lol. Kx450msn you should save your money for now and shop around for a while...there are always good deals to be had.

I don't know Jarelj, but being in the business he is in I have to believe that he is more than a little pedantic about bikes and has knowledge about the stuff.

The only advice I can give about getting an "expert" to do your forks is that things tend to fail under load, meaning that when a demand is put on a system, for example braking really hard for an apex and the forks not compressing properly. I would have to say that that would suck really bad! Would you go to a doctor that does surgery a dozen times a year, or the guy that does 300 surgeries a year?

Moreover, if you were going to be in a liability situation with your bike, would you want it to be your fault, or the experts? I've seen guys do their own work and do it well, but these guys happen to be in industries that help them better understand what they are doing. If your unsure, or just want piece of mind definitely wait and get it done properly.

Now to change the subject slightly.....can the OEM Ohlins shock be upgraded to the GP, or is it a completely different shock? How would you get rid of the error codes on your dash if you went to a manual shock system?

Thanks.

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I hear that yes you can upgrade some internal but unless you are hard tracking your bike I don't see the point even the oem ohlins are very good for a hard core rider
Don't let the ohlins kool-aid get you.

esmirna8261980 said:

I done talking with you this was my opinion to the op I don't care about you or you store . YOU ARE A DUCATI DEALER!!! you job is to suck us dried LOL

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I kind of wish you were done talking to all of us.

We know Jarelj and he is a stand up guy whop helps the community here and does what he can.

We don't even know you, nor do we want to.

JeffD said:

Wasn't even going to go there, but Leon and I on this forum also have this exact same setup. I've had full Ohlins (inlcuding TTX MkII) on the last 3 bikes I've owned and I'll go so far as to say the Marzocchi RAC 50 Light with ECH-29 Nitrogen pressurized cartridges are noticeably better than the Ohlins FGRT forks with Superbike valves I had setup by Steve Breckenridge (GMD Computrack and Certified Ohlins Tech/Dealer in Jacksonville, FL). The Bitubo XXF61 shock is at least as good as the TTX MkII and has separate high- and low-speed compression damping for extreme fine tuning. Forum members Bellissimoto.com and Gunny Fitz will give you a big discount for being a forum member.

@esmirna8261980 - you've expressed your opinion, however misinformed and misguided you may be. Insulting Jarel is crossing the line. He has done a ton for this community and is a stand-up dealer and person.

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I want you to tell me how in hell I misinformed or misguide the op??, when I SAID FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE the pro and con between them if you want to kiss the dealership ass go for it. But don't come here and insult me I see that guy just like what he is THE MANAGER OF A DUCATI DEALER . He is here to make money out us. If you don't believe me ask him how in hell he pay for his house,car and take his family out for dinner?? LET ME GUESS WITH OUR MONEY

His revenue is none of your business.

BUT from this forum it is very small.


We don't care about your lack of personal experience

That may be true to some degree but jarelj also provides very valuable on track feedback for those of us who are much less experienced and give us something to work with. Sometimes that kinda info is priceless and very much appreciated by the majority of us. As a consumer, we have options to buy anywhere. At the same time, he has every right not to help this forum the way he voluntarily does. He seems like a straight shooter n isn't out to screw any of us over to make a quick buck. I wouldn't necessarily generalize him to be a typical employee of a Ducati dealership. He's well respected here for a reason, not simply because people here like kissin ass.

outhouse said:

Your pretty much an idiot, correct?

His revenue is none of your business.

BUT from this forum it is very small.


We don't care about your lack of personal experience or how slow you are.

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dude nobody is talking to you
Sorry I break you hart. let me guess you don't have anything to said about this post?? but you want to jump on the bus?? go for it be my guess

Dont feed the troll.

esmirna8261980 said:

1- the TTX on the S or the R IS NOT THE MKII
2- you just said it the GP shock is a track oriented shock lol yes you can ride a lotus exige with the track package to the coffe shop. lol
3- please dont try to put Dan kyle below you that guy EAT OHLINS FOR LUNCH
4- Dan has every .... from ohlins in stock



I done talking with you this was my opinion to the op I don't care about you or you store . YOU ARE A DUCATI DEALER!!! you job is to suck us dried LOL

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1 - The TTX shocks came out as TTX36 originally (and still what's used as OEM on the Panigale S/R), then was upgraded to TTX MKII a couple years ago, and now TTX GP this year. Those are not different shocks, simply development iterations over time with each one getting the latest improvements from Ohlins racing development.
2 - EVERY aftermarket Ohlins TTX shock is track-oriented.
3 - I never uttered a bad word about Dan Kyle, just explaining why you often see him advertising prices below Ohlins USA minimum pricing.
4 - Ok, that's great, never said he didn't.

esmirna8261980 said:

But don't come here and insult me I see that guy just like what he is THE MANAGER OF A DUCATI DEALER . He is here to make money out us. If you don't believe me ask him how in hell he pay for his house,car and take his family out for dinner?? LET ME GUESS WITH OUR MONEY

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Why the dealer hate?

I doubt Ducati-Omaha makes much (in the overall scheme of things) money from people in this forum. I'd guess that an interest in the model/brand brings him here as much any profit motive.

So what's your issue? You don't think dealers should be allowed to make money?

Personally, I tend to like dealers (the good ones). I feed money to local guys (even if I could get something a little cheaper on the net) when I can just so they'll be around when I really need 'em.

So what's your issue with 'em?

Thamer said:

Now to change the subject slightly.....can the OEM Ohlins shock be upgraded to the GP, or is it a completely different shock? How would you get rid of the error codes on your dash if you went to a manual shock system?

Thanks.

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Not completely different, it was just a couple minor changes. The upgrade to the OEM shock would just be to change the valving to be track-specific.

Here's what we got from Ohlins on the changes for the TTX GP:
"The compression and rebound damping adjustments are
improved by a new adjustment needle with better guidance
and different flow restriction behavior. It gives a more precise
adjustment and constant function. The adjustment range
is also wider and variations between shock absorbers are
reduced. A much improved chassis feedback as well as
improved performance for the rider is obtained.
News also includes a new main piston. This gives the rider
much better traction and feeling which means improved
control. The TTX GP is further optimized and shares all other
benefits with the TTX36 shock absorber."

Charliem90 said:

Why the dealer hate?

I doubt Ducati-Omaha makes much (in the overall scheme of things) money from people in this forum. I'd guess that an interest in the model/brand brings him here as much any profit motive.

So what's your issue? You don't think dealers should be allowed to make money?

Personally, I tend to like dealers (the good ones). I feed money to local guys (even if I could get something a little cheaper on the net) when I can just so they'll be around when I really need 'em.

So what's your issue with 'em?

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There are a LOT of non-Authorized dealers all over the internet and eBay selling Ohlins products. None of them actually stock Ohlins products, none of them have Ohlins technicians on staff, none of them have Ohlins equipment in-house to actually service the products (we have a $3500 Ohlins vacuum bleeding machine, for example), and none of them can actually answer technical questions about the products because they have never worked on them, they simply broker a transaction through a back-door channel to get the products and sell them for a small profit is what he said

Dan kyle, Gp racing, and hundreds other online dealer have the experience and the tooling to fix and give you good service so please don't show up acting like you are the Ohlins God.

esmirna8261980 said:

Dan kyle, Gp racing, and hundreds other online dealer have the experience and the tooling to fix and give you good service so please don't show up acting like you are the Ohlins God.

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Please point out where I've said anything about Ohlins? Are you really that cognitively challenged?

Charliem90 said:

Please point out where I've said anything about Ohlins? Are you really that cognitively challenged?

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HEY you ask me what is my problem with the guy right??
you ask me why the dealer hate ??


Originally Posted by Charliem90 View Post
Why the dealer hate?

I doubt Ducati-Omaha makes much (in the overall scheme of things) money from people in this forum. I'd guess that an interest in the model/brand brings him here as much any profit motive.

So what's your issue? You don't think dealers should be allowed to make money?

Personally, I tend to like dealers (the good ones). I feed money to local guys (even if I could get something a little cheaper on the net) when I can just so they'll be around when I really need 'em.

So what's your issue with 'em?




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