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Charliem90 said:
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hey man how about you try to add something to this post ABOUT WHAT IS BETTER COMPLETED FORK OR THE CARTRIDGES KIT trust me there is a lot people out there thinking about suspension for they base panigale and STOP trying to pick up a fight with me
 
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JeffD said:
I'll be at Jennings GP on April 26-27. Please come by my pits for your complimentary BITCH SLAP.
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LOL now you want to fight?? :) over the internet??
if you want i give my address just send a pm, I will buy you a beer after you slap me lol
 
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Guys.... This thread escalated into a fight which serves no one...I can delete or lock it but that seems sad for something that has value...So... Can I ask that the guys that posted feisty replies (and I think you know who you are) to delete them... Please...then we can get back to proper business... I don't want to delete individual posts as I think we are all adults here and you guys can figure this out...No???
 
As far as the labor charges go, I wont be paying for any of that. My mechanic on my drag bike is a genius when it comes to suspensions. He did all my suspension work for my 749 as well as all the work on my drag bike and supermoto race bike. And since he is a friend, he doesnt charge me for suspension work. I just bring beer, BBQ, and my willingness to help out.
 
the Marzocchi RAC 50 Light with ECH-29 Nitrogen pressurized cartridges are noticeably better than the Ohlins FGRT forks with Superbike valves I had setup by Steve Breckenridge (GMD Computrack and Certified Ohlins Tech/Dealer in Jacksonville, FL). The Bitubo XXF61 shock is at least as good as the TTX MkII and has separate high- and low-speed compression damping for extreme fine tuning. Forum members Bellissimoto.com and Gunny Fitz will give you a big discount for being a forum member.

I agree with you on that set up but the question is how many dealer of Biturbo did you know?,I know bellissimoto but around florida? and that is why most of the people go on the ohlins routed.
ohlins have the 25 mm kit gas charged the problem is that that kit required more serviced than 30mm and it cost $2000.00.
biturbo stuff is nice but very expense compare with ohlins and the dealer network is not set in the US .
 
Kx450fsm said:
As far as the labor charges go, I wont be paying for any of that. My mechanic on my drag bike is a genius when it comes to suspensions. He did all my suspension work for my 749 as well as all the work on my drag bike and supermoto race bike. And since he is a friend, he doesnt charge me for suspension work. I just bring beer, BBQ, and my willingness to help out.
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if you got the labor cover than you good to go, if you going that routed I will recommend you check other brand like biturbo or matrixx they got gas charged cartridges similar to the ohlins 25 mm is not cheaper but is pure sex especially those biturbo
 
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I have just got replacement Marzocchi's and still the rebound don't work, I called Ducati, they called me, three weeks on and nothing! problem is the service sucks from Ducati and the dealers aren't any better, the dealer who sold it to me don't care less, I can't bore the .... out you all with a fact list since I bought the bike but it bores me to go on about it, sits like this with me now, the virgin experience of a couple weeks back has worn off, I don't mind the problem but they don't fix it or even look to, I like my 749 but I am fast coming to the conclusion the Panigale is junk, face it guys if any Jap firm produced this bike at this money with all its fault we would laugh at the dick who bought one, soon as I can I'm ditching it going buying a RSV4, look at my thread on WDW another Ducati rip off!!
 
farmind said:
I have just got replacement Marzocchi's and still the rebound don't work, I called Ducati, they called me, three weeks on and nothing! problem is the service sucks from Ducati and the dealers aren't any better, the dealer who sold it to me don't care less, I can't bore the .... out you all with a fact list since I bought the bike but it bores me to go on about it, sits like this with me now, the virgin experience of a couple weeks back has worn off, I don't mind the problem but they don't fix it or even look to, I like my 749 but I am fast coming to the conclusion the Panigale is junk, face it guys if any Jap firm produced this bike at this money with all its fault we would laugh at the dick who bought one, soon as I can I'm ditching it going buying a RSV4, look at my thread on WDW another Ducati rip off!!
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I agree with you I can wait for the 2012 panigale to be out warranty THERE WILL BE BLOOD let see

3-LCD dash
3- lower faring melting from the full system
2-clutch slave
2-right hand switch
1- set of fork


so how much that will cost me out warranty?:)
 
esmirna8261980 said:
I agree with you I can wait for the 2012 panigale to be out warranty THERE WILL BE BLOOD let see

3-LCD dash
3- lower faring melting from the full system
2-clutch slave
2-right hand switch
1- set of fork


so how much that will cost me out warranty?:)
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If I don't get shot of it quick I guess I got this to look forward too!
 
Im sorry I seemed to have started an internet war unintentionally. If we could all stay on topic that would be great. I appreciate those that have given constructive comments to my question.

I would like to hear from anyone that has ridden the Ohlins and Bitubo suspension for their thoughts though. I considered the Bitubo but am leaning towards Ohlins because its a brand I know and they have an established reputation.
 
fireman1251 said:
IMHO the TTX is a bit more urgent, the replacement forks will be fine and they work pretty well. The Sachs shock is downright dangerous if you do any spirited riding.

I bought the cartridges last may and ended up never installing them because the 4th set of forks was excellent.

Sold my '12, got a leftover '13 and now the kit is going in.
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I have definitely noticed the Sachs being ..... The rear end doesn't feel stable at all when leaned over at any decent speed. Granted it doesn't help that Im 255 lbs with gear on running the stock suspension still.
 
Kx450fsm said:
I have definitely noticed the Sachs being ..... The rear end doesn't feel stable at all when leaned over at any decent speed. Granted it doesn't help that Im 255 lbs with gear on running the stock suspension still.
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That's a major problem right there. Did you set sag? With the OEM suspenders at full preload you're probably not going to come close to 30mm-35mm at either end, which would be at the higher end of acceptable for hard street cornering.

Whichever direction you go, you're going to notice a huge difference just by having the right springs allowing the suspension to work within the correct range for your weight + roads + speed.

FWIW, Ohlins is going to have a ton of support over anything else, especially where you live. If you ride a lot and need to get the forks/cartridges/shock serviced more than once a year, Ohlins will be the only way to go. And that's coming from a Bitubo convert. Bellissimoto is the only service center for the Bitubo products right now, and they're moving to Vegas next month from SC.

Frankly, I just wanted to try something different and the Bitubo ECH-29 were Nitrogen charged and with the forum discount, were very favorably priced against Ohlins and Traxxion Dynamics gas-charged equivalents. As esmirna8261980 pointed out, the Ohlins gas-charged cartridges cost as much as their FGRT full forks, so that gives you an idea of how high-end they are. This was discussed a little while back, that a lot of racing rules (SBK Superstock/Superport, AMA Superbike/Sportbike, etc.) require stock fork externals, so replacement fork cartridge technology has been a big focus by suspension manufacturers. One interesting tidbit is that the OEM Marzocchi RAC 50 Light forks are the first OEM forks with Aluminum sliders which is why they are 50 mm in diameter to the Ohlins typical 43 mm on FGRT forks - to make up for the stiffness of the typical steel sliders. As a result and without the electronics, they are several pounds lighter than the OEM Ohlins on the S/TRI/R models. I didn't weigh my OEM cartridges against the Bitubo ECH-29s though.

More to your last question, IMO the gas-charged cartridges seem a bit smoother in operation at higher loads than my Ohlins FGRT808 forks with Superbike valves on my Crossplane R1. The main advantage of gas-charged sealed cartridges is that the damping oil is under pressure for less cavitation and foaming when used hard, so the damping stays more consistent for longer (we're talking over 10 laps at max race pace). Again, based on your description of your needs, it seems like overkill, but who doesn't like trick stuff if it fits in the budget?

Good luck and let us know what you go with and what your impressions are when you get them installed.
 
esmirna8261980 said:
the Marzocchi RAC 50 Light with ECH-29 Nitrogen pressurized cartridges are noticeably better than the Ohlins FGRT forks with Superbike valves I had setup by Steve Breckenridge (GMD Computrack and Certified Ohlins Tech/Dealer in Jacksonville, FL). The Bitubo XXF61 shock is at least as good as the TTX MkII and has separate high- and low-speed compression damping for extreme fine tuning. Forum members Bellissimoto.com and Gunny Fitz will give you a big discount for being a forum member.

I agree with you on that set up but the question is how many dealer of Biturbo did you know?,I know bellissimoto but around florida? and that is why most of the people go on the ohlins routed.
ohlins have the 25 mm kit gas charged the problem is that that kit required more serviced than 30mm and it cost $2000.00.
biturbo stuff is nice but very expense compare with ohlins and the dealer network is not set in the US .
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There are other dealers for Bitubo. I didn't order from Bellissimoto, yes they do offer a discount for forum members and I bought my damper from them. I order parts from quite a few vendors after some pricing research. Some places are better for some items, not so much on others.

One reason I went with the Bitubo cartridges because I wanted separate adjusters for damping and preload. The reason being when I adjusted preload on my base it would also turn the rebound damping which is recessed inside the preload adjuster. This may not be a big deal for some but it's one less thing to screw up when adjusting suspension.
 
JeffD said:
That's a major problem right there. Did you set sag? With the OEM suspenders at full preload you're probably not going to come close to 30mm-35mm at either end, which would be at the higher end of acceptable for hard street cornering.

Whichever direction you go, you're going to notice a huge difference just by having the right springs allowing the suspension to work within the correct range for your weight + roads + speed.

FWIW, Ohlins is going to have a ton of support over anything else, especially where you live. If you ride a lot and need to get the forks/cartridges/shock serviced more than once a year, Ohlins will be the only way to go. And that's coming from a Bitubo convert. Bellissimoto is the only service center for the Bitubo products right now, and they're moving to Vegas next month from SC.

Frankly, I just wanted to try something different and the Bitubo ECH-29 were Nitrogen charged and with the forum discount, were very favorably priced against Ohlins and Traxxion Dynamics gas-charged equivalents. As esmirna8261980 pointed out, the Ohlins gas-charged cartridges cost as much as their FGRT full forks, so that gives you an idea of how high-end they are. This was discussed a little while back, that a lot of racing rules (SBK Superstock/Superport, AMA Superbike/Sportbike, etc.) require stock fork externals, so replacement fork cartridge technology has been a big focus by suspension manufacturers. One interesting tidbit is that the OEM Marzocchi RAC 50 Light forks are the first OEM forks with Aluminum sliders which is why they are 50 mm in diameter to the Ohlins typical 43 mm on FGRT forks - to make up for the stiffness of the typical steel sliders. As a result and without the electronics, they are several pounds lighter than the OEM Ohlins on the S/TRI/R models. I didn't weigh my OEM cartridges against the Bitubo ECH-29s though.

More to your last question, IMO the gas-charged cartridges seem a bit smoother in operation at higher loads than my Ohlins FGRT808 forks with Superbike valves on my Crossplane R1. The main advantage of gas-charged sealed cartridges is that the damping oil is under pressure for less cavitation and foaming when used hard, so the damping stays more consistent for longer (we're talking over 10 laps at max race pace). Again, based on your description of your needs, it seems like overkill, but who doesn't like trick stuff if it fits in the budget?

Good luck and let us know what you go with and what your impressions are when you get them installed.
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I did set sag, I dont remember the exact set up but I do remember we were not able to dial it in completely due to my weight. Being a fat kid definitely sucks since most bikes and gear are designed for lighter people. I really appreciate the response. One of the reasons I wasnt considering Bitubo is because of the whole service center issue. If Bellisimoto is moving to Vegas, that is only 3 hours from my house so that definitely adds some more leverage to their side. I need to spend the next couple months I am away for work doing research so I can make a decision and have them ready to go on by the time I get home. Hopefully I can resolve the fat kid issue too.
 
I have the Bitubo suspension on my bike as well. The bike handles awesome. I don't ride the street, track only and I get more confident everytime I take the bike out. Couldn't be happier with my decision. And like JeffD, I wanted to be different, so that along with the price is the reason I chose Bitubo.
 
either way you go ohlins or biturbo you will notice a big improvement just for the fact that the spring on you bike are probable on the soft side. one thing I did not like about the ohlins fork was how hard is to adjusts the compression and rebound you just can't do it like the old way by pushing on the front, I spend 1/2 day at the track just adjusting it but the end result was good.
 
Wow,lotsa info on the suspension side of things. I didn't read it all but I can tell you now there is a cracked shim on the stack ! My mv B4 had the same issue. Nothing I did could fix it till I said "ok let's fatten up the valve" there it was,a shim flapping about with its mates. Go look if you hav'nt spend ten large on a set of forks !
 
I had a heap of shims from my MX days,used to run old YZ's & IT's. Pulled out the oily bag & away you go. They give up when you drop from long mono's.
 

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