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RE: Ceramic Coating motorcycle parts
How much run time is on these pipes and how hard?
How much run time is on these pipes and how hard?
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So far, only about 160 miles since they were coated/installed.
Ran pretty hard, for the street, yesterday. Ambient temp was upper 90s F and bike coolant temps were routinely 190-215.
Ran Dry Creek and the eastern portion of Skaggs Springs road north of San Francisco yesterday mostly twisties so speeds ranged from below the posted speed limit to a bit above...
RPMs were mostly in the 6-10 k RPM and I spent most of the time in 2nd, 3rd or 4th gear.
Did this for about 30 mins outbound, turned around and ran back same route.
Ran pretty hard, for the street, yesterday. Ambient temp was upper 90s F and bike coolant temps were routinely 190-215.
Ran Dry Creek and the eastern portion of Skaggs Springs road north of San Francisco yesterday mostly twisties so speeds ranged from below the posted speed limit to a bit above...
RPMs were mostly in the 6-10 k RPM and I spent most of the time in 2nd, 3rd or 4th gear.
Did this for about 30 mins outbound, turned around and ran back same route.
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WOW !!! - That is the coolest looking pipes I have ever seen. Fantastic !!!
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Here is my crude attempt at coloring the Full Termi system Satin Black. Jeff Howell said a layer of color would offer slightly more heat reduction because it is an extra layer over the base ceramic layer.
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iiiofiv, I may have missed it, but would you mind sharing how much they charged you for the coating inside/out? You left the canisters as they were, right (didn't coat them too)? Also may help dealing straight with the coater; as opposed to going thru dealer.
hmm, it would be interesting to see what real temp difference there was. My understanding is that its not /all/ coming from the exhaust that the heat is coming from a lot of sections in there. Someone did a thermal shot and you could see it was the entire area and not just the exhaust piping.. . if it was just exhaust piping, then a wrap should /theoretically/ work. . . but anything to help the heat would be a plus. Although just because the engine runs a bit cooler doesn't mean your thigh runs cooler - it might mean its evicting the heat more efficiently to your thighs 
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I think running water wetter or engine ice actually brings it down close to 10 degrees as well. But once again, just more efficient heat removal but not necessarily less heat.
.. . I think running water wetter or engine ice actually brings it down close to 10 degrees as well. But once again, just more efficient heat removal but not necessarily less heat.
It was 195.00 for coating and I think shipping was 15.00.
I did not ship the cans - they are au natural. I didn't ask about coating the cans. Though, now, if they can, I may have the stock system including the cans done.
The dealer (Ace Motorsports) was more than willing to ship for me but I wanted to take the opportunity to talk with the folks at a couple of different "coaters" before deciding on which and what; so I took care of the deal myself.
I did not ship the cans - they are au natural. I didn't ask about coating the cans. Though, now, if they can, I may have the stock system including the cans done.
The dealer (Ace Motorsports) was more than willing to ship for me but I wanted to take the opportunity to talk with the folks at a couple of different "coaters" before deciding on which and what; so I took care of the deal myself.
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195, that's it?
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Jet-Hot quoted $300 for coating the entire Termi System Satin Black. So, ceramic coated inside and the outside will have a ceramic base layer then a black color top coat.
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I think this is an awesome modification and I am very much looking forward to inspecting this in person at MotoGP. Personally I would stick with having the Termi cans as they are, it looks very stylish. I am trying to weight up having my full system taken off the bike, coated exactly the same as yours and then the full system put back on. If you could be kind enough to private message me with exact instructions so that I can give to them dealer to 'deal' with JetHot and take care of this for me, thanks matey.
And, for those of you with the full system installed, check the front left side of the CF heat deflector. Last night when cleaning up the bike i noticed it was charred and "crunchy."
So, for just that reason I purchased DEI's gold reflective material and applied that to both the lower right fairing where the header is exposed and to the inside of the CF heat deflector below the seat.
Reflect-A-GOLD 010391 | Purchase DEI, CryO2, Ny-Trex, Boom Mat & SPA Turbo Products | Design Engineering, Inc. - Thermal Performance Products
Rode the bike into work today so will report out how it held up over the course of the 50 mile round trip.
It certainly looks pretty cool!
So, for just that reason I purchased DEI's gold reflective material and applied that to both the lower right fairing where the header is exposed and to the inside of the CF heat deflector below the seat.
Reflect-A-GOLD 010391 | Purchase DEI, CryO2, Ny-Trex, Boom Mat & SPA Turbo Products | Design Engineering, Inc. - Thermal Performance Products
Rode the bike into work today so will report out how it held up over the course of the 50 mile round trip.
It certainly looks pretty cool!
I think the coloration costs more than the polished anyway but adding the cans likely bumped the price up quite a bit - I expect they'll be a PITA to work with.
Did you talk with Jeff?
Anxious to see them though!
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Yes. I spoke with Jeff and sent him a half dozen pics of the full system. It will cost me many hours of dealer labor to dismantle and then re-assemble the cans. My dealer told me it was a PITA dismantling and re-assembling the twin carbon fiber Termi's on my Monster. Will be a PITA this time too. The color Jet-Hot costs more because it's another layer on top of the base coat.
Jet-Hot won't receive the pieces until Monday. My dealer is dismantling the Termi cans on Thursday. Will take a few weeks to get them installed on the 1199.
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Here's an idea:
Do you think a patch of this heat resistant material can be a applied the back leg of a pair of compression shorts and worn under jeans to reflect the heat?
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That was around the price for having mine Ceramic coated inside and out and then finished in Satin Black.
Looking at the pics of iiiovif I cant see the ceramic coating on the inside so maybe that is why his are cheaper, also mine wasnt coated where the headers join so I have no probs fitting them together another thing that could add to the price.
Mine was AUD price as well
OK - so this gold colored DEI heat reflective material is pretty freaking awesome stuff.
As I mentioned I applied it inside the lower right fairing and inside the heat guard that sits over the rear cylinder exhaust loop.
Combined with the coated pipes, the heat felt on my butt and legs is significantly diminished.
I rode the bike to work yesterday and today - two round trips of 50 miles and the stuff looks just as when I applied it. That inside the the heat guard might be a little dulled in brightness but there are no signs of scorching or separation from the glue.
This may serve well to protect both the CF heat guard and the lower fairing.
And it almost exactly matches the gold color of the forks.
Highly recommended. Cost me about 75.00 US for all the materials via Amazon. I double layered it in some key places immediately adjacent to the headers and still had a bit left over. I purchased a role of the 2 inch tape and two 12 X 24 sheets.
I'll take some photos tomorrow.
As I mentioned I applied it inside the lower right fairing and inside the heat guard that sits over the rear cylinder exhaust loop.
Combined with the coated pipes, the heat felt on my butt and legs is significantly diminished.
I rode the bike to work yesterday and today - two round trips of 50 miles and the stuff looks just as when I applied it. That inside the the heat guard might be a little dulled in brightness but there are no signs of scorching or separation from the glue.
This may serve well to protect both the CF heat guard and the lower fairing.
And it almost exactly matches the gold color of the forks.
Highly recommended. Cost me about 75.00 US for all the materials via Amazon. I double layered it in some key places immediately adjacent to the headers and still had a bit left over. I purchased a role of the 2 inch tape and two 12 X 24 sheets.
I'll take some photos tomorrow.
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And, here are the photos of the lined lower right fairing and the CF rear cylinder header cover: DEI REFLECTIVE MATERIAL INSTALLED - Ducati 1199
These photos are after 200 miles of moderate riding.
There is no scorching or even discoloration anywhere on the lower right fairing and most importantly none along where the header and fairing are closest. The adhesive shows no signs of failure anywhere either. The closest point between header pipe and fairing is about 6mm along the upper edge of the exposed portion of the header towards the rear.
The CF piece over the rear cylinder exhaust header which I also lined with the DEI gold reflective material did not fair so well. While there was already existing heat damage prior to lining it, the heat continues to take its toll. The images show damage to the lining in exactly the same location as before where the separation between header and the CF is about 3mm or about 1/8 of an inch. There are also indications the adhesive either failed or I did not apply enough pressure when applying the lining. So, if 6mm separation works for the lower right fairing then that's my initial goal - 6mm separation.
I can't lower the header to increase the clearance so perhaps a spacer washer of some sort but the nearest attachment point is one of the screws that attaches the CF piece in place and it may be too far away to realize much benefit where needed. I will also look for another reflective/insulative material though with the already minimal clearance any material that is much thicker than what I'm already using will result in direct contact with the header which is probably worse. Perhaps a combination of spacer and maybe two more layers of the DEI material will be sufficient.
Back to the bench...
These photos are after 200 miles of moderate riding.
There is no scorching or even discoloration anywhere on the lower right fairing and most importantly none along where the header and fairing are closest. The adhesive shows no signs of failure anywhere either. The closest point between header pipe and fairing is about 6mm along the upper edge of the exposed portion of the header towards the rear.
The CF piece over the rear cylinder exhaust header which I also lined with the DEI gold reflective material did not fair so well. While there was already existing heat damage prior to lining it, the heat continues to take its toll. The images show damage to the lining in exactly the same location as before where the separation between header and the CF is about 3mm or about 1/8 of an inch. There are also indications the adhesive either failed or I did not apply enough pressure when applying the lining. So, if 6mm separation works for the lower right fairing then that's my initial goal - 6mm separation.
I can't lower the header to increase the clearance so perhaps a spacer washer of some sort but the nearest attachment point is one of the screws that attaches the CF piece in place and it may be too far away to realize much benefit where needed. I will also look for another reflective/insulative material though with the already minimal clearance any material that is much thicker than what I'm already using will result in direct contact with the header which is probably worse. Perhaps a combination of spacer and maybe two more layers of the DEI material will be sufficient.
Back to the bench...
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