Modern Sportbikes...Boring

Rogue · Jan 21, 2017

I think we've made huge advancements in the sportbike world in the last 10-15 years. Guy Martin doesn't think so...

Video: Guy Martin on the state of the bike industry | MCN

Say what you want about electronic aids, but your standard liter bike has gone up 60-70 hp over the last 15 years while dropping a considerable amount of weight.

I'm glad he finally said what he did at the end of the video, because the entire time I was thinking "And you're coming back on a CBR".

panhandler · Jan 21, 2017

I asked a similar question on the R1 forum when the 15 came out. Because of all these electronic aids does that make you less of a racer compared to the OG guys who had nothing to rely on but themselves. Im all for the helpers but on the flip side if a guys old record(pre electronic aids) is being destroyed by a guy on a bike with every helper possible does that really count?

Thats like all the baseball records being broken by these juice monkeys. Back then they probably ate like shit and treated their bodies like shit but now they got trainers and specialists out the ying yang and factor in some major steroid use youve got easily 3-4 x times the human being no?

Rogue · Jan 21, 2017

panhandler said:
I asked a similar question on the R1 forum when the 15 came out. Because of all these electronic aids does that make you less of a racer compared to the OG guys who had nothing to rely on but themselves. Im all for the helpers but on the flip side if a guys old record(pre electronic aids) is being destroyed by a guy on a bike with every helper possible does that really count?

Thats like all the baseball records being broken by these juice monkeys. Back then they probably ate like shit and treated their bodies like shit but now they got trainers and specialists out the ying yang and factor in some major steroid use youve got easily 3-4 x times the human being no?

In my opinion, yes. I was happy to see MotoGP go to a spec ECU last year. I'm all for rider aids but thought it was getting a bit out of control, i.e. turn specific TC settings. It was turning into a money race between factories. Spec ECU comes along and what happens? Nine different race winners in 2016.

But to say their records shouldn't count because they didn't have such and such back in the day....that's a slippery slope.

749dark · Jan 21, 2017

He's bored and wants something different so he's signed up to ride a boring, shitbox Honda CBR1000RR. The most boring bucket of bolts to come out of Japan. Talk about being a hypocrite.

Apart from trying to understand what he's saying as he doesn't talk English, I picked up that he has a point about a lack of advancements in motorcycles. What is the next big thing?

Rogue · Jan 21, 2017

749dark said:
He's bored and wants something different so he's signed up to ride a boring, shitbox Honda CBR1000RR. The most boring bucket of bolts to come out of Japan. Talk about being a hypocrite.

Apart from trying to understand what he's saying as he doesn't talk English, I picked up that he has a point about a lack of advancements in motorcycles. What is the next big thing?

I'm gonna let the "talk english" slide.

I love Guy Martin's ramblings. "TT3D: Closer to the Edge" was the best. He's all over the place. Obviously he thinks that direct injection (I think he meant forced induction) is the next big thing. Smaller displacement engines "blown to death". I'm kind of lukewarm on that as well. The H2 is a boat meant to compete with the sport tourers, so you never see them at the track. A blown/turbo 300cc bike in the 350lb range would be interesting. I've never ridden a turbo or supercharger equipped bike but would think that the biggest issue is how they make power.

Personally, I think the biggest advancement needed is in our tires, not the bikes.

749dark · Jan 21, 2017

@Rogue, I think Guy Martin must be trying to merge English with Italian. Deadset, he needs a translator.

Anyway, really interesting point you make about tyres being the area for improvement. We've already seen big advances over the last 10 years however where can technology take us?

Perhaps lightweight materials like titanium and carbon? Direct injection? Or even hybrid technology?

Twistedracer · Jan 21, 2017

Lighter bikes with equal power out of smaller displacement? Fuel injected 2strokes? Yes!!!

Rogue · Jan 22, 2017

749dark said:
@Rogue, I think Guy Martin must be trying to merge English with Italian. Deadset, he needs a translator.

Anyway, really interesting point you make about tyres being the area for improvement. We've already seen big advances over the last 10 years however where can technology take us?

Perhaps lightweight materials like titanium and carbon? Direct injection? Or even hybrid technology?

Tires have improved significantly in the last 10 years, I'm with you there. My opinion is that the bikes are advancing at a much higher rate than tire development. They're having trouble keeping up.

Titanium and carbon fiber are widely used on just about anything now. Remember 20 years ago when everyone thought it was this crazy exotic material? Turns out if you can do fiberglass (and most racers can), you can probably make your own carbon fiber parts.

I got tired of looking at a bare piece of metal that I had made up for the Rapid Bike You Tune. Endodoc made one out of carbon for me. I'm sure it took all of a few mins and maybe $5 in materials.

NOLA · Jan 22, 2017

Rogue said:
I'm gonna let the "talk english" slide.

I love Guy Martin's ramblings. "TT3D: Closer to the Edge" was the best. He's all over the place. Obviously he thinks that direct injection (I think he meant forced induction) is the next big thing. Smaller displacement engines "blown to death". I'm kind of lukewarm on that as well. The H2 is a boat meant to compete with the sport tourers, so you never see them at the track. A blown/turbo 300cc bike in the 350lb range would be interesting. I've never ridden a turbo or supercharger equipped bike but would think that the biggest issue is how they make power.

Personally, I think the biggest advancement needed is in our tires, not the bikes.

You never see H2's at the track because they are more rare than the more commonly seen 1199-1299's. Thats like comparing a Ford Mustang to a GT-R. You will see mustangs all day long and they are boring and commonplace, even when modified, unlike a GT-R.

I know at least a half dozen guys with H2's they track. Its just less production numbers mean less availability at the track. I go to every car show, and meet, I can find around New Orleans to check out the exotic cars and I have only seen one H2 at any of them.

I'm not quite sure the H2 is a boat when all it takes is an exhaust change and its in the 495 pound range.

NOLA

Rogue · Jan 22, 2017

NOLA said:
I'm not quite sure the H2 is a boat when all it takes is an exhaust change and its in the 495 pound range.

NOLA

I'm not hating on the H2. I think it's cool for what it is. But 495lbs? Boat.

I just looked up the wet weight. 529lbs. Do you really drop 34lbs with an exhaust swap? That's pretty wild.

NOLA · Jan 22, 2017

Rogue said:
I'm not hating on the H2. I think it's cool for what it is. But 495lbs? Boat.

I just looked up the wet weight. 529lbs. Do you really drop 34lbs with an exhaust swap? That's pretty wild.

Haha, but its a shiny boat

It was more like 522. Yeah, the exhaust was 36.90 pounds. the muffler alone was 16.30 pounds.

Did I mention it makes 246.86 rwhp now ?

NOLA

Rogue · Jan 22, 2017

NOLA said:
Haha, but its a shiny boat

It was more like 522. Yeah, the exhaust was 36.90 pounds. the muffler alone was 16.30 pounds.

Did I mention it makes 246.86 rwhp now ?

NOLA

I can see that. I used to have a Buell 1125CR. The stock exhaust was stupid heavy. Dropped something like 24lbs with just a slip-on.

Look at that hunk of shit...

NOLA · Jan 22, 2017

@Rogue

Damm, that thing is huge.

(Thats what she said)

NOLA

alliskr · Jan 22, 2017

Rogue said:
I can see that. I used to have a Buell 1125CR. The stock exhaust was stupid heavy. Dropped something like 24lbs with just a slip-on.

Look at that hunk of shit...

At least it was all down low and centralised (unlike the H2) ;-) But, yeah, I put a Remus on mine back in the day.

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