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ghostdog6 said:
Investing in a 2nd tier rider that can't ever win a race is a pretty stupid move. Last year Dovi started the season with 3 2nd place finishes. Couldn't win any of them, even the first one where Rossi pipped him in Qatar. He followed up with 2 3rd places and 4 DNFs for the rest of the season.

2015 Dovi - 3 2nd places, 2 3rd places, 4 DNFs. 162 points.

2015 Iannone - 1 2nd place, 2 3rd places, 3 DNFs. 188 points.

2014 Dovi was better. But he still only had 2 podiums.

Product branding? Iannone's win is worth more than all Dovi's podiums combined. Just look at motogp's website today. Occasional 2nds and 3rds don't get your picture on the website.
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This pic made the websites too along with the one below. I don't think one win will expunge his reputation, or instantaneous make him brand ambassador.

I think if he strings together a few more wins this season, then a good argument could be mounted.
 
Yea it takes much more good to wipe out the above bad. If your not sure about that then just ask your girlfriend or wife... ;)
 
duc has whoregay lorenzo next year. they dont need Iannone. dov will be a better teamate for whoregay (at least he aint gonna run over his teamate)
 
ygfamily21 said:
duc has whoregay lorenzo next year. they dont need Iannone. dov will be a better teamate for whoregay (at least he aint gonna run over his teamate)
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why do you call him whoregay? has he not proved himself as a 5x world champ. has he not proved himself when he came back and raced the next day after a broken collar bone and came in 5th? has he not proved himself leading every statistical category last year in one of the most impressive comebacks in racing.

just curious thats all
 
never said he was a bad rider. I am just calling him the way motogp casters are pronouncing his name.
 
Iannone won, racing against teammate on exact same machine.

with a good sport psychologist to tweak his head, he has far more upside than his current teammate.

argue all you want, but at the last race one man won while the other did not and you really can't make any excuses for either of them.
 
Lorenzo winning isn't a given. He may not be competitive on the Ducati. He needs a special set of circumstances to be fast. To me he's always been "fragile" - he needs to be handled appropriately to be fast. Having Gabbarini come back to be his crew chief is a good step; having Stoner as his test rider (and I'll bet coach/consultant) will help as well. But I'd still rather have a 2nd rider with race winning potential to a consistent also-ran.

You guys act like Iannone takes someone out every other race. It's only been twice; his submarining of Dovi was supremely stupid, but Lorenzo had just as much culpability in their wreck as AI.

Marquez rode dangerously and learned. Lorenzo rode dangerously and learned. Iannone isn't any different.
 
Iannone won on a track that virtually everyone conceded prior to the race was going to go to the Ducatis.

Let's not forget that part. It's one thing to win on a track that heavily favors the Desmo. It's something different to beat the other aliens when they haven't conceded before the race even starts. Neither rider has proven to be able to do that and so all this talk of winning is pretty premature.
 
BTrain5489 said:
Iannone won on a track that virtually everyone conceded prior to the race was going to go to the Ducatis.

Let's not forget that part. It's one thing to win on a track that heavily favors the Desmo. It's something different to beat the other aliens when they haven't conceded before the race even starts. Neither rider has proven to be able to do that and so all this talk of winning is pretty premature.
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Absolutely agree; I don't expect Ducati to win another race this year. My point is Iannone beat his teammate on identical machinery. Dovi has had multiple chances to win a race but hasn't been able to close the deal. Iannone is a better option, and Lorenzo winning a championship is far from a given.

My point is Ducati need as much winning potential as they can get, not steady Eddie 5th-8th every race.
 
VAST said:
Iannone won, racing against teammate on exact same machine.

with a good sport psychologist to tweak his head, he has far more upside than his current teammate.

argue all you want, but at the last race one man won while the other did not and you really can't make any excuses for either of them.
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AI had a softer tire, obviously the better choice, which doesn't make them identical. Marquez is proving consistency is key. AI has none. Like I said if he can string a few good results together then an argument could be made.

Who I'd like to see more from is Scott Redding. Not that he is terrible, but I figured he would have shined brighter sooner.
 
As a life long racer and car owner, it is always better to have to "slow" your driver down a little, than try to speed him up. Dovi is not a "winner", he will clock in and put in a respectable, workman like job up near the front whenever possible, and bring it back alive.
Crazy Joe is a balls out banzi boy with skills, once he learns how to temper it a little like Marquez this year look out. I think Ducati had to let him go for the sake of team relations with whoregay.
 
ghostdog6 said:
Lorenzo winning isn't a given. He may not be competitive on the Ducati. He needs a special set of circumstances to be fast. To me he's always been "fragile" - he needs to be handled appropriately to be fast. Having Gabbarini come back to be his crew chief is a good step; having Stoner as his test rider (and I'll bet coach/consultant) will help as well. But I'd still rather have a 2nd rider with race winning potential to a consistent also-ran.

You guys act like Iannone takes someone out every other race. It's only been twice; his submarining of Dovi was supremely stupid, but Lorenzo had just as much culpability in their wreck as AI.

Marquez rode dangerously and learned. Lorenzo rode dangerously and learned. Iannone isn't any different.
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Yeah two potentially winning riders is a good thing, Yamaha proves that. However, it didn't take all the above mentioned riders 4 years in the big leagues to learn.
I really think had AI not taken himself out so many times, as well as other riders he'd still be there, he does display brilliance at times. Maybe all he needed was to learn to win. Now that he has, maybe he will do it more often. Unfortunately the dye has been cast.
 
ghostdog6 said:
Lorenzo winning isn't a given. He may not be competitive on the Ducati. He needs a special set of circumstances to be fast. To me he's always been "fragile" - he needs to be handled appropriately to be fast. Having Gabbarini come back to be his crew chief is a good step; having Stoner as his test rider (and I'll bet coach/consultant) will help as well. But I'd still rather have a 2nd rider with race winning potential to a consistent also-ran.

You guys act like Iannone takes someone out every other race. It's only been twice; his submarining of Dovi was supremely stupid, but Lorenzo had just as much culpability in their wreck as AI.

Marquez rode dangerously and learned. Lorenzo rode dangerously and learned. Iannone isn't any different.
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special set of circumstances to win? are you remotely serious here. the guy is a 5 time world champion. i guess all those circumstances happened just right last year. i guess they are there this year also as he is in second place once again out racing the so called number 1 yamaha rider who hasnt done a thing since 09. i guess he was under an amazing set of circumstances in 2010 with one of the greatest seasons ever by a rider. this is one of the dumbest statements i have ever read that JLO needs special circumstances to win take a look at the guys record. you may not like him you may think he is boring or whatever the case but to deny him his respect as a rider is just BS.
 
mark419ny said:
special set of circumstances to win? are you remotely serious here. the guy is a 5 time world champion. i guess all those circumstances happened just right last year. i guess they are there this year also as he is in second place once again out racing the so called number 1 yamaha rider who hasnt done a thing since 09. i guess he was under an amazing set of circumstances in 2010 with one of the greatest seasons ever by a rider. this is one of the dumbest statements i have ever read that JLO needs special circumstances to win take a look at the guys record. you may not like him you may think he is boring or whatever the case but to deny him his respect as a rider is just BS.
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although I completely agree with you on your assessment of lorenzo

You're doing the pot calling the kettle thing here .

kinda of scary how you managed to defame Rossi (9xWC) for no reason- especially when it wasn't even the subject at hand. do you push pins into a rossi doll at night?
 
Macattack said:
although I completely agree with you on your assessment of lorenzo

You're doing the pot calling the kettle thing here .

kinda of scary how you managed to defame Rossi (9xWC) for no reason- especially when it wasn't even the subject at hand. do you push pins into a rossi doll at night?
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i never defamed rossi i have always said he had to still win with all those amazing advantages over every rider. do i like rossi absolutly not. do i think he deserves praise again absolulty not. will i challenge every forum member that says rossi is back 100%. did you read the motogp obsession with rossi i posted? if not take a look at it. did you read part 3 another member posted. rossi won 9 titles. in motogp he has had every advantage possible right down to his spec tires. thats right he has had his own damn tires. rossi had stoner pushed out of yamaha because he was afraid of him. burgess and edwards said he was the most talented so rossi couldnt have that. michelin is doing same thing this year to try and get JLO to lose. only problem is marquez likes hard tires and rossi cant beat marquez. notice how the front tire has mysteriously vanished.
i never said rossi didnt win. i did say he is vastly over rated and if anyone needs circumstances its him.

if you look objectively at rossi career and dont see every advantage given to him you are a blind follower.
 
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My point was you always bring Rossi into everything AND you chastised ghostdog6 for being slightly ridicules or possibly hyperbolizing for which you are ironically the king of

no one was talking about Rossi
 
mark419ny said:
special set of circumstances to win? are you remotely serious here. the guy is a 5 time world champion. i guess all those circumstances happened just right last year. i guess they are there this year also as he is in second place once again out racing the so called number 1 yamaha rider who hasnt done a thing since 09. i guess he was under an amazing set of circumstances in 2010 with one of the greatest seasons ever by a rider. this is one of the dumbest statements i have ever read that JLO needs special circumstances to win take a look at the guys record. you may not like him you may think he is boring or whatever the case but to deny him his respect as a rider is just BS.
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He is fast in most circumstances, unless it rains, he's lucky he didn't come up through the brit system, he wouldn't be near the front of any championship there.
 
Macattack said:
My point was you always bring Rossi into everything AND you chastised ghostdog6 for being slightly ridicules or possibly hyperbolizing for which you are ironically the king of

no one was talking about Rossi
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nobody was talking about rossi the comment about JLO was crazy dumb. you brought up rossi.
 

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