MotoGP 2024

You have to give him his due. He hazes the rear, recognizes that he has a hot sticky rear, blows by clusters in the first half lap while the rear is hot but starting to cool down right? I just watched the race from his fork cam. Awesome.

Too bad the entire weekend wasn't wet. Wasn't this Pecco's first rain win?

baggerman said:

Too bad the entire weekend wasn't wet. Wasn't this Pecco's first rain win?

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I think so.

But GP24 has such a massive advantage here because of long straights

Its more F1 circuit than motorbike circuit

What a boring race except for the final couple laps ding dong between Miller and Acosta

This was the first rain race where I thought Pecco's braking looked like dry track Pecco. Rear waving in the air as he starts to turn in. I said to beautiful watch as the fuel load comes down at about half distance Marquez is coming by. Then he crashes. If Acosta had a better start he probably would have been second. Impressive rain skills for a rookie. Jorge's style doesn't really work in the rain. Hope it keeps raining.

baggerman said:

…as the fuel load comes down at about half distance Marquez is coming by. Then he crashes...

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Yeah, on the limit trying to make that gp23 stay with the 24 on a start-stop track. Might have saved that slide if he had another couple feet.

Not too bad 1st practice for crazy-Joe….

The DNFs doomed Pecco.

bp_SFV4 said:

The DNFs doomed Pecco.

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There's still 62 points left. Go back and watch the race from Pecco's fork cam. In that corner the pavement has been patched. It appears his line was just slightly wide and he catches the edge of that patch at full lean. And clearly the Pramac launch software/set-up is better than the factory's. Jorge has launched better in the entire second half of the season. Pecco was faster, it would have been different if he had led from the start.

Doesn't matter, the points have been lost. Pecco was/is faster as evidenced by the Q2 session.

Unless Jorge make an epic mistake during Sunday's GP, it's likely a done deal. I mean, never say never, as one can't predict what the final race will be since there's so many variables, but I wouldn't be putting money on Pecco to retain the title right now, even as much as I want the factory team to retain the title.

I don't know if your software/setup argument holds-up though. They have access to each other's data, as do all of the GP24 teams (I don't know if the GP23 teams are excluded from that sharing). If there was a setup advantage, surely the factory Ducati team would know about it and use it as well.

I think MM has it next year though. On a year old bike he manages to finish 2nd in today's sprint. He's clearly not afraid of crashing and has a lot of race experience to draw on.

If Pecco had finished 6th in the 8 DNFs he's had (assuming an even split, 4/4, between GP and Sprint races) he'd be 29 points ahead as of right now.

What a RACE!
Pecco had big balls, but Martin even Bigger.
I will thank this hero for a long time!

bp_SFV4 said:

Doesn't matter, the points have been lost. Pecco was/is faster as evidenced by the Q2 session.

Unless Jorge make an epic mistake during Sunday's GP, it's likely a done deal. I mean, never say never, as one can't predict what the final race will be since there's so many variables, but I wouldn't be putting money on Pecco to retain the title right now, even as much as I want the factory team to retain the title.

I don't know if your software/setup argument holds-up though. They have access to each other's data, as do all of the GP24 teams (I don't know if the GP23 teams are excluded from that sharing). If there was a setup advantage, surely the factory Ducati team would know about it and use it as well.

I think MM has it next year though. On a year old bike he manages to finish 2nd in today's sprint. He's clearly not afraid of crashing and has a lot of race experience to draw on.

If Pecco had finished 6th in the 8 DNFs he's had (assuming an even split, 4/4, between GP and Sprint races) he'd be 29 points ahead as of right now.

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Ain't over till it's over. 2 (?) of Pecco's DNF's were thru no fault of his own. The patch gets Frankie, Martin stands the bike up and runs wide to miss the edge of it in the GP which is what let Pecco clear off again. I agree with you about Marquez he's got another championship left.

baggerman said:

Go back and watch the race from Pecco's fork cam.

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What fork camera? No one has a camera on their forks.

OK wherever it is on the front. Nose cone? Watch it though you'll see the cause of the crash.

Jesus. This is like when you were writing about your bike having "AI" or any post that mentions "ETV." No ...., search "etv map." It's hilarious.

When you select the on-board camera when viewing from a browser window, you merely select "OB1" or "OB2" etc., with the numeral being each respective rider. You don't get to pick which on-board camera. Typically its the tail camera, unless they're using one of that rider's three cameras for the commentary feed.

bp_SFV4 said:

Jesus. This is like when you were writing about your bike having "AI" or any post that mentions "ETV." No ...., search "etv map." It's hilarious.

When you select the on-board camera when viewing from a browser window, you merely select "OB1" or "OB2" etc., with the numeral being each respective rider. You don't get to pick which on-board camera. Typically its the tail camera, unless they're using one of that rider's three cameras for the commentary feed.

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Yes you don't select the particular camera. But I note the front camera is typically on when the riders close and chasing. Did you actually watch from Pecco's feed? Probably not. Anything for an insult right? As far as the ETV stuff I've been steadily attempting to get you all to understand that everything you feel from a "tuned bike" is really the changes to the ETV maps. The one thing that's clear to me is that you are so slow you couldn't detect the actual handling issue on your SF. Stone hands. So, I've learned all the mapping (and change it as suits me). Sorted a chassis that truly screams at you that it's wrong. And now I'm blueprinting an 1103 from which I will get more power, greater reliability and more rapid acceleration (more than one way to get a motor to spin up faster other than power). And you've learned or accomplished what?

I've learned your technical prowess cannot be trusted without verification.

Let us not forget:

DeussenEngines said:

To be blunt: What is called the "ETV Restriction” in the WRT software has no direct connection to the ETV control. I do not mean to offend you in any way but your understanding of the system and tables is at a similar level as Woolich support seems to have. Yes, you see an effect by changing parameters in this table for sure but there is no need to even touch the rev limiter because of these changes and there is no direct link to cylinder pressure. The only real impact to cylinder pressure comes from spark advance changes and this table has no impact on Spark advance at all. And touching the Spark advance maps at full load is really not needed as the Spark mapping is pretty much spot on from the factory. I think it’s for sure fun to tinker with a system like this and make some adjustments based on your personal preferences. As long as you don’t make any drastic changes you are likely to be fine and not trigger any torque monitoring.

BTW, there is no speed limiting. Some USA models have a power limit in the OEM map but Woolich is not displaying this table in the software so you cannot disable it.

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DeussenEngines said:

I sure can comment. My main comment is that Woolich is lacking a great amount of general understanding of these ECUs. Clearly Woolich must have missed that the Pani V4 MY22 and up now has 4 engine power modes versus 3 for the older models. To me it looks like all they do with a new software version is copy table definitions from older versions over without any validation work on a bike.

I have no personal interest in making their software any better. I invested a lot of time in expanding my understanding of this ECU Software and I share it only with with very few people in the tuning industry that I collaborate with and that I can trust.

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Woolich did misname one of the restriction maps. But it was regardless a restriction map. There is no documentation on the software. You have to work you way thru it as I did and write changes then evaluate and write more changes, evaliuate some more etc.. Takes awhile to understand all the tuneability that exists . I get Daniel not wanting to help anyone as this is his livelihood but in reality I found his telling me early on when I made an erroneous assumption helpful. Lots of hierarchy and interconnection between the various maps. But eventually it all became clear. At this point I have what I wanted, an understanding of the bike to a level that I'm not dependent on anyone else, not for software, not for chassis tuning, not for troubleshooting, none of it. And you will continue to be dependent on others. Just a different approach to life. Your comments did help me make a decision about whether or not to discuss my cylinder head porting changes. It will not benefit any of you really, but if the tuners recognize what I've done is useful they'll simply steal it and then sell it back to you. And I'm in the midst of engineering another change that I think several of you would benefit from but if I post the design I expect I will have the same issue in that someone will decide to start selling it.