My consolidated list of Panigale issues seen here

Eventhough I don't have a bike of my own and intend to buy a Panigale, the issues and experiences posted here is really valuable info for my research..

I seem to have observed that the following seem to be common issues among Panigale owners here which according to me seriously need to be addressed by Ducati for their 2014 lineup

1. Hard starting - caused by high engine temp/overheating.

2. Stalling - seems to be caused by clogging in the charcoal canister for most people here and removing it seems to fix it. This is something I would get really pissed about unless its a mistake on my part of running the bike on fumes. I don't like to be messing around with parts which were placed for a reason.

3. Loose bolts - this is just really something I don't get. I had a cheap ass Honda 200cc way back in the day and I never had to bother checking for missin/loose nuts/bolts and only focused on my tires, oil, fuel and brake fluids before a ride. For such an expensive bike like the Panigale, I find this to be really shoddy quality assembly work.

I really love the Panigale and I agree that no bike is perfect but these are major issues IMO which not every owner can accept after paying so much for the machine.

This is just my 2 cents.. comments r welcome

You have 3 items listed...there's a lot more than that. Most dealers are aware of all issues and covered under warranty/recall. I guess I'm failing to see the point of the thread.

Cheers

acowsik said:

Eventhough I don't have a bike of my own and intend to buy a Panigale, the issues and experiences posted here is really valuable info for my research..

I seem to have observed that the following seem to be common issues among Panigale owners here which according to me seriously need to be addressed by Ducati for their 2014 lineup

1. Hard starting - caused by high engine temp/overheating.

2. Stalling - seems to be caused by clogging in the charcoal canister for most people here and removing it seems to fix it. This is something I would get really pissed about unless its a mistake on my part of running the bike on fumes. I don't like to be messing around with parts which were placed for a reason.

3. Loose bolts - this is just really something I don't get. I had a cheap ass Honda 200cc way back in the day and I never had to bother checking for missin/loose nuts/bolts and only focused on my tires, oil, fuel and brake fluids before a ride. For such an expensive bike like the Panigale, I find this to be really shoddy quality assembly work.

I really love the Panigale and I agree that no bike is perfect but these are major issues IMO which not every owner can accept after paying so much for the machine.

This is just my 2 cents.. comments r welcome

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I wouldn't buy anything if I was you, it sounds like you need a perfect world

acowsik said:

Eventhough I don't have a bike of my own and intend to buy a Panigale, the issues and experiences posted here is really valuable info for my research..

I seem to have observed that the following seem to be common issues among Panigale owners here which according to me seriously need to be addressed by Ducati for their 2014 lineup

1. Hard starting - caused by high engine temp/overheating.

2. Stalling - seems to be caused by clogging in the charcoal canister for most people here and removing it seems to fix it. This is something I would get really pissed about unless its a mistake on my part of running the bike on fumes. I don't like to be messing around with parts which were placed for a reason.

3. Loose bolts - this is just really something I don't get. I had a cheap ass Honda 200cc way back in the day and I never had to bother checking for missin/loose nuts/bolts and only focused on my tires, oil, fuel and brake fluids before a ride. For such an expensive bike like the Panigale, I find this to be really shoddy quality assembly work.

I really love the Panigale and I agree that no bike is perfect but these are major issues IMO which not every owner can accept after paying so much for the machine.

This is just my 2 cents.. comments r welcome

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As with anything, there are positives that counter negatives and should be considered, too. Not very many guys would refuse to date a supermodel because she farts in her sleep, for instance, but I suppose there are guys out there with higher standards than me . And that's what the negatives you mentioned amount to (a little 'dutch oven' every now and then is worth the price of admission).

To address each concern, though:

The hard starting isn't much of an issue. If/when it happens (hasn't happened to me since I removed the charcoal canister), you just give it a little throttle and it bangs to life. Minor annoyance, but definitely not major. And it doesn't have to do with overheating, just with being hot.

Stalling--I'll give you that, it happens, but I've noticed a trend and it has to do with gas. The Pani is simply not tuned to deal with American gas and varying percentages of ethanol. My issues with stalling seem to happen only after a fill-up, then continue until I fill up somewhere else. Removing canister made zero difference.

Loose bolts--I haven't had a critical fastener back out--except on an aftermarket rearset. Loctite blue is your friend. Again--a minor annoyance, but also an easy remedy.

If you did buy an 1199 I highly doubt you'd ever consider your decision a poor one.

TricoloreSF said:

You have 3 items listed...there's a lot more than that. Most dealers are aware of all issues and covered under warranty/recall. I guess I'm failing to see the point of the thread.

Cheers

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Its for new people to refer to a single thread for known issues to be aware of what can happen with a Panigale as I didn't see a consolidated thread of known issues anywhere else.

The dealers may be aware of all these and cover it under warranty but the whole objective is to prevent these from happening at all moving forward. If there has been a recall, its useful to have it posted somewhere to educate folks.

As you say there are other issues but I am trying to focus on major ones which are annoying to owners. I can always add them to the list so that its easier for newcomers to see this as an important item and my objective is to help the community.

If more appropriate, the mods could move it to the tech section and have it as a sticky..

If people don't see this thread as being worthwhile, the mods can close this.

Your thread is a duplicate of this:

http://ducati1199.com/mechanical-technical/3905-panigale-fault-record.html

AntiHero said:

As with anything, there are positives that counter negatives and should be considered, too. Not very many guys would refuse to date a supermodel because she farts in her sleep, for instance, but I suppose there are guys out there with higher standards than me . And that's what the negatives you mentioned amount to (a little 'dutch oven' every now and then is worth the price of admission).

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LMAO !!!! Good analogy

AntiHero said:

To address each concern, though:

The hard starting isn't much of an issue. If/when it happens (hasn't happened to me since I removed the charcoal canister), you just give it a little throttle and it bangs to life. Minor annoyance, but definitely not major. And it doesn't have to do with overheating, just with being hot.

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I would agree that its not a major one but hopefully for future models, they look at making a better engine cooling system to avoid this..

AntiHero said:

Stalling--I'll give you that, it happens, but I've noticed a trend and it has to do with gas. The Pani is simply not tuned to deal with American gas and varying percentages of ethanol. My issues with stalling seem to happen only after a fill-up, then continue until I fill up somewhere else. Removing canister made zero difference.

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This made me think a lil.. the manual says use atleast 90 octane fuel or more.. The pumps seem to have regular (85 octane), premium (87/89 octane) and super (91/93 octane). Wonder if people here just use regular gas which could actually be the cause of stalling if u say the engine isnt designed for that kind of gas. I would use the best fuel for the bike and feed trash to the car

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Loose bolts--I haven't had a critical fastener back out--except on an aftermarket rearset. Loctite blue is your friend. Again--a minor annoyance, but also an easy remedy.

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Do you need to remove every accessible bolt and refasten after applying Loctite just to make sure they dont come off or is only specific ones that are prone to falling off?

AntiHero said:

If you did buy an 1199 I highly doubt you'd ever consider your decision a poor one.

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I would definitely smile from ear to ear for buying a Pani but just that I'm a lil more finicky when it comes to issues that would cause me concern when on a long trip or something and wouldn't want to be stuck in the middle of nowhere

bolds said:

I wouldn't buy anything if I was you, it sounds like you need a perfect world

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As the popular saying goes with capitalism.. "You get what you pay for" so if you are forking out a lot for a quality bike, it better be of supreme quality with little to no defects during warranty.

Being a Pani, people tend to ride it hard and if the bike is designed to withstand a good amount of abuse, it should still work great.

acowsik said:

3. Loose bolts - this is just really something I don't get. I had a cheap ass Honda 200cc way back in the day and I never had to bother checking for missin/loose nuts/bolts and only focused on my tires, oil, fuel and brake fluids before a ride. For such an expensive bike like the Panigale, I find this to be really shoddy quality assembly work.

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I don't think the cheap ass honda produces anything like as much high frequency vibration as the massively powerful, high reving, over square engine in the very rigid structure that is the Panigale. I've had most importantly my side stand bolts come loose twice which I'm sure were well torqued at factory and were certainly well torqued after the first loosening but came loose again ! Only solution is wide scale loctiting from factory.
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Ughhh.

acowsik said:

This made me think a lil.. the manual says use atleast 90 octane fuel or more.. The pumps seem to have regular (85 octane), premium (87/89 octane) and super (91/93 octane). Wonder if people here just use regular gas which could actually be the cause of stalling if u say the engine isnt designed for that kind of gas. I would use the best fuel for the bike and feed trash to the car

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This is a terrible idea if that's how you treat any motor vehicle. Both cars and motorcycles are factory tuned for an ideal octane rating when filling up for gas. They don't slap on those "Premium Fuel Only" tags on the inside of your gas door on your car to give you an extra 10whp. It's there for a reason....so your vehicle (or bike in this case) runs in the ideal way it was intended to. If you keep putting 87 gas in your premium only vehicle, you may not notice the immediate difference (although you will definitely have a reduced whp output) but it is definitely doing some harm to the performance of your vehicle and may even cause long term internal damage to your motor. I don't know of a single sportbike that would take less than a premium grade gas when filling up. Most luxury/sports/performance cars require the same.

I didn't mean it literally... what I was implying was that I love bikes more than cars so I don't care about the grade of fuel that would go in my car compared to only using the best grade fuel for my bike...

acowsik said:

Do you need to remove every accessible bolt and refasten after applying Loctite just to make sure they dont come off or is only specific ones that are prone to falling off?

*Bodywork and heat shield/exhaust shield bolts are the only ones I've lost. All covered under factory warranty, of course. After the first three fell off, though, I just removed each one and reinstalled after a drop of loctite blue. No issues since.

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acowsik said:

I would definitely smile from ear to ear for buying a Pani but just that I'm a lil more finicky when it comes to issues that would cause me concern when on a long trip or something and wouldn't want to be stuck in the middle of nowhere

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*I, err, kind of took my Panigale on a little road-trip (see link in my sig) and not once did the Panigale let me down or leave me in the middle of nowhere. 20,600+ miles and still rides like she did when she was new.

double0 said:

This is a terrible idea if that's how you treat any motor vehicle. Both cars and motorcycles are factory tuned for an ideal octane rating when filling up for gas. They don't slap on those "Premium Fuel Only" tags on the inside of your gas door on your car to give you an extra 10whp. It's there for a reason....so your vehicle (or bike in this case) runs in the ideal way it was intended to. If you keep putting 87 gas in your premium only vehicle, you may not notice the immediate difference (although you will definitely have a reduced whp output) but it is definitely doing some harm to the performance of your vehicle and may even cause long term internal damage to your motor. I don't know of a single sportbike that would take less than a premium grade gas when filling up. Most luxury/sports/performance cars require the same.

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Oh, I did get stuck buying 87 Octane in several spots across the mid-west. Bike ran fine (but definitely didn't see any high speed runs that day), which leads me to believe it's the ethanol content--not necessarily a bad (low octane) tank of gas that could be causing the issues.

sorry, but this is a dumb thread. Buy a panigale then feel free to bash it if you feel the need. My bike has been awesome and by far the best in a long line of bikes before it.

Have to agree with gnance....I just don't get all the moaning and bitching about a problem(s) you don't have...This is nothing more but trolling..

I love my Panigale! However, I am not blind to the issues that Ducati should have fixed before releasing the R that I bought. I think Ducati owners tend to justify poor manufacturing by stating that the Panigale makes them "feel good".

There are legitimate issues with the bike that should not be there given the price point. Just my two cents.

Socal said:

I love my Panigale! However, I am not blind to the issues that Ducati should have fixed before releasing the R that I bought. I think Ducati owners tend to justify poor manufacturing by stating that the Panigale makes them "feel good".

There are legitimate issues with the bike that should not be there given the price point. Just my two cents.

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for some that is true...but knock on wood my bike has really been flawless. Even survived me trying to light it on fire and also my friend knocking it over. And still no worse for the wear.

Arrange an appointment with your doctor.

Most known issue, and most important.

1) That permanent smile!

acowsik said:

I seem to have observed that the following seem to be common issues among Panigale owners here which according to me seriously need to be addressed by Ducati for their 2014 lineup

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Anecdotes =/= data.

People posting on this forum represent only a tiny fraction of Panigale owners. And of the ones who do visit/post to this forum, only a small number of them report the "problems" you deem to be "common".

But thanks for your concern.