Panigale v Mclaren P1 - £2,000,000 deal

Mutt1979 said:

What because the laws of physics don't apply to cars?

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Of course they do ...... now if or when you finish school, get a grip on the thing we call 'Reynolds ' numbers

Then work out the simple maths behind area , traction, and some other bits then reconsider your smart comment.
The point I was making is that technology has advanced in bikes to a point where physics are now more of a problem than Hp, cars are almost there, but do have some aerodynamic advantages.

But I'm not going to argue, to many really clever emotional guys on here, one thing we all have in common is owning a 1299

im just one who is not embracing the Ducati feel good thing with leaks and problems, with senior members saying it's all in the exp.........

I think people with that mindset most likely shag fat chiks and try to convince the ones who shag models that we are wrong

Fat chiks still tea bag yes??

mostly depends on the track you pick imo
the shorter tighter would favor the ducati

motorcycle has better P to W specific power

car has 4 tires but contact area is subject to force pressing the tire to the road.

In other words the contact patch argument has its limits .

the P1 in the video would probably never beat a yugo in a wet race it requires downforce exponentially as speeds increase and the guy driving the P1 would feel that and it would scare the living .... out of him and not only because the car costs 2mil

Captain Greg said:

I'm not going to watch the movie.... I drive a Mclaren 570' and it will kick the pani's ... I don't care who is riding it. ( my wife could out run any superbikes on the way to the gym, while doing her nails driving it)

On Friday 20th at our local track I will be testing the new 720

I love superbikes but you guys need to appreciate the laws of physics are your limit .... grip, drag, traction .......

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Here's a video of a 1199SL out running (albeit from 0-180ish in a straight line) two supercars that are much more potent than your Mclaren, whose drivers aren't doing their nails. 1199SL is over a second faster to 150 mph than the two supercars. Race starts at 2:55. Times/speeds shown at 5:00. Enjoy.
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Angus1609 said:

Here's a video of a 1199SL out running (albeit from 0-180ish in a straight line) two supercars that are much more potent than your Mclaren, whose drivers aren't doing their nails. 1199SL is over a second faster to 150 mph than the two supercars. Race starts at 2:55. Times/speeds shown at 5:00. Enjoy.
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Thanks I did enjoy it

I concur with the commentator ....... his penultimate words at the end.......on this day the P1 was king.........
And for you that don't know the cars the Mclarens have come a long way since that video.

I won't mention they put a highly skilled rider on the bike and an overweight fellow in the car.....just saying.

That said in a real world the car is faster simply because of the concentration the bike rider needs to give and to launch like that at every robot is unlikely... in the car it's simple ...step on the gas adjust the aircon, call mom and tell her you going to be home early for dinner

Captain Greg said:

Of course they do ...... now if or when you finish school, get a grip on the thing we call 'Reynolds ' numbers

Then work out the simple maths behind area , traction, and some other bits then reconsider your smart comment.
The point I was making is that technology has advanced in bikes to a point where physics are now more of a problem than Hp, cars are almost there, but do have some aerodynamic advantages.

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Reconsider? What, that someone else understands fluid mechanics? No. Even a stupid person can see the difference in size/surface area (car vs motorcycle) plays a huge factor here which you have apparently ignored.....

Captain Greg said:

Thanks I did enjoy it

I concur with the commentator ....... his penultimate words at the end.......on this day the P1 was king.........
And for you that don't know the cars the Mclarens have come a long way since that video.

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The Panigale has also come a long way.....

Mutt1979 said:

Reconsider? What, that someone else understands turbulent flow? No. Even a stupid person can see the difference in size/surface area plays a huge factor here which you have apparently ignored.....



The Panigale has also come a long way.....

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Yep mine has come all of 4000 odd km, the faults I have expierienced that have brought me into the Ducati fold and galvanized my ownership expierience, will forever be implanted in my brain, in contrast my first McLaren did 16000 hard Km's ..... only needed new rubber

If anyone rode a Ducati the way I sometimes screw my cars the bikes would last less than a weekend.
The current 570 will be replaced by the 720 tomorrow and in it's trouble free 7000km it also returned me more than I paid for it ........ again beating the Ducati hands down. My 1299 has depreciated some 40% in 18 months

I hope I will have more positive things to say about the V4, at this stage I'm undecided if I really need another lemon in my garage of sweet fruits?.... one Ducati so far seems all I can stomach right now ...... I'm hoping the japs build something pretty ....
But as a knowledgeable poster added further back this is not a competition we are simply tabling facts.
Facts based on exp, now you obviously don't own a super car? So your speaking only from a bikers point of view?

You don't find me commenting in the forums where the big boys track there bikes and drill every part for weight reduction simply because I have insufficient knowledge in those maters to open my gob.

Maybe you should let mommy buy you a Father's Day gift in the form of a Lap in a supercar ... after you have expierienced that you may add value in this thread......read your own avatar

Said with respect Sir

Man, a lot of emotion here. I'm not really sure where it all comes from.

As far as feedback from someone who has experience in both, I have some pretty fast cars and I am pretty sure that my 1199 Superleggera and 1098R accelerate faster than all of them. I'm not a good enough rider to compare track times but honestly, that's all kind of irrelevant. I think that the point is to have something that excites you and puts a smile on your face, regardless of what it is, who made it, or how much it costs.

Some days I grab the keys to one of the cars and some days I grab the keys to one of the Ducatis. The right tool for the right job. The point is to always have a smile on my face when I put the keys back at the end of the day.

Sherpa23 said:

Man, a lot of emotion here. I'm not really sure where it all comes from.

As far as feedback from someone who has experience in both, I have some pretty fast cars and I am pretty sure that my 1199 Superleggera and 1098R accelerate faster than all of them. I'm not a good enough rider to compare track times but honestly, that's all kind of irrelevant. I think that the point is to have something that excites you and puts a smile on your face, regardless of what it is, who made it, or how much it costs.

Some days I grab the keys to one of the cars and some days I grab the keys to one of the Ducatis. The right tool for the right job. The point is to always have a smile on my face when I put the keys back at the end of the day.

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Well said

Feelings. Nothing more than Feelings. Trying to forget my.....Feelings of
Tea-Bagging. Panigale...Nothing more than Panigale. Trying to forget my..
Oh forget it...

Who buys a superbike and complains about depreciation?
I bought a 911 turbo way back when. 2002 996TT. They were 110K new. A few years later they were 50K. Big deal. Buy it and ride it. Don't buy new let some other tosser take the hit on depreciation. As far as straight line acceleration god, any bozo and mash a pedal down to 300km. Sounds like you need to move onto the McLaren and sell the bike. Nice and cushy for the tushy

I think it's a given that from a standing start most supercars, even Captain Greg's beloved 720, are dead meat off the line compared to a 1299 or R1M or H2R etc.

Where things start to change is around 180-190 mph, where the car's aerodynamics come into play plus a lower co-efficient of friction, not to mention braking into a corner due the higher levels of grip afforded by 4 sticky tyres. Fair play to 4 and 2 wheels.

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many sides to this argument



the hypercars laferrari ,the mclaren P1 and porsche 918 would be the closest match a bmw-rr , duc-pan1299, r1m,

most supercars weigh over 3000 lbs and have at or less than 600 hp


power to mass ratio of the panigale is nearly 3x of a basic supercar


the great equalizer would be the rider and most people would be faster in a relatively fast car. simply because there are few people who can ride fast around a racetrack on a motorcycle
NOT ONE of the average track day "advanced" riders would qualify for the fast group
let that marinate for a minute while you think about the probability that no one on this forum would qualify as fast enough to be the comparison motorcycle rider in the shootout between the bike and car.
but within one day of lessons,coaching and some time lapping a track most people on this forum could put up a respectable track time in a porsche gt3rs
conversely if you were to be "fast" on a motorcycle you'd have done it when you were 20-25 years old and you'd be kinda famous in the local MC world. track days probably wouldn't be your thing and if you were an ex racer you'd probably have lost the edge it takes to really take a bike to its full potential ( with a few exceptions of course )

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