Panigale V4 vs 1299 Dyno Results

A generated a comparison video of V4 vs 1299 dyno results for those of you who are contemplating trading-in your 1299s for a V4. I also compared the V4 Stradale to the S1000RR and RSV4. See video and plots are below.

https://youtu.be/tkmg1Q7JTb8








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Ponyboy said:

A generated a comparison video of V4 vs 1299 dyno results for those of you who are contemplating trading-in your 1299s for a V4. I also compared the V4 Stradale to the S1000RR and RSV4. See video and plots are below.

https://youtu.be/tkmg1Q7JTb8

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You prove exactly why I wouldn't run straight out and trade my "˜15 1299s in for the V4 Panigale. I think after you get over the "rush" and "excitement" of the sound of the new bike; a lot of people are going to be disappointed in the new bike compared to the old.


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The numbers definitely dont look the greatest when stacked up like this but you should be taking into account the overall bike too. HP isnt the be all end all. My bad for not knowing this but isnt the v4 a new build from ground up? if so im sure the handling has got to be a lot better if thats the case. And does the V4 rev to 14.5k?!?!?!?!?!:

panhandler said:

The numbers definitely dont look the greatest when stacked up like this but you should be taking into account the overall bike too. HP isnt the be all end all. My bad for not knowing this but isnt the v4 a new build from ground up? if so im sure the handling has got to be a lot better if thats the case. And does the V4 rev to 14.5k?!?!?!?!?!:[emoji33][emoji33][emoji33]

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From what I've read, most of the bike is all new, although the engine is a reworked version of the V4 mill from the Desmosidici RR from 2008, with some upgrades. I believe it redlines at 14k.


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I will stick with the FE, especially once the worlds rarest exhaust finally comes out.

sbk1299s said:

From what I've read, most of the bike is all new, although the engine is a reworked version of the V4 mill from the Desmosidici RR from 2008, with some upgrades. I believe it redlines at 14k.


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The 2015 Desmo RR, not the 2008.

The engine is derived from the 2015 to 2016 Desmocedici moto GP engine with many features from the Panigale engine to make it as reliable on the road. It is a Big Bang firing order which in essence is like two Panigale engines in tandem. Hence they kept the Panigale lineage.

This is going to be a sensation! Make no mistakes about that.

We are very lucky guys.

Watched the video (painful) and didn't see a single dyno run. Taking graphs/data from Ducati'website isn't "dyno results" imo. I'll wait to see actual side-by-side dyno tests of actual bikes.

Pretty much this same argument was made at the introduction of the original 1199. Less low end than the 1198, thus a worse bike. I made the point then that the gearing would effectively slide the 1199's curve at a given road speed/gear on top of the 1198's, but that at the point where the 1198 was signing off, the 1199 would be taking off. Which turned out to be the case. Same generally applies here. At a given road speed and gear, the V4 will be turning more RPM (a commodity it has more of to work with), so the fact that it makes less power at say, 6,000 revs is irrelevant. The flatter, broader power curve will make the power more accessible, which they would have been hard-pressed to achieve with a twin. Power to weight won't change significantly, but the useability of that power, plus better handling from the new chassis is what the V4 should bring.

i think real back to back dyno numbers measuring whp will tell a better story than this pictures but i agree with the video as far as power to weight ratio.

what about the gas mileage ?

According to these charts, the v4 will be easier to ride on the streets and faster on the track.

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so the graphs have advertised output so i presume these are just numbers pulled from a website and not actual dyno numbers on the same dyno run etc.

Sorry it may have been in the video but it was too .... to watch.

Going by the curve, definitely a much broader power curve up top. Should be easier to race.

Take the video with a pinch of salt. After all, it is still here say. Ducati are clearly frauds when it comes to putting out numbers so at least his comparison is solely using their numbers and not from all over the place.

But here's what I take from it:

1) Remember recently Ducati downgraded their own numbers so remember the 1299 isn't a 205 bhp bike anymore.

2) He does make some very good points though. Their numbers are different and quoted in many different units. They have done that clearly on purpose, they're trying to baffle you with bull sh*t. It stinks. I firmly believe you will get nowhere near 214 or 226 bhp.

3) If you already have a 1299/R, as mentioned, I don't think this bike for me is enough to make me want to change at least.

4) By changing the delivery you have now brought this bang in the firing line of the litre bikes. It is now the same as the competition and Ducati is cheating with an extra 100 cc to be able to keep up. The 2018 BMW is stacking up to be an amazing machine......... just saying.

5) By moving to the V4 you have also taken away what the Ducati was, it was unique in it's performance as well as looks and sound. What you've done is now taken away some of the appeal. Where you could forgive it in some areas because it offered something you could not get on any other machine, well now you can, you have choices.

I'm not saying this bike isn't amazing, but it is now going to have a much harder time in keeping up with the competition, the machines will be so much closer now, like on shootouts etc. it will be much harder to shine.

HiSpeed48 said:

Watched the video (painful) and didn't see a single dyno run. Taking graphs/data from Ducati'website isn't "dyno results" imo. I'll wait to see actual side-by-side dyno tests of actual bikes.

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I agree. Unless I'm missing something, these are meaningless comparisons. They seem to be comparing "advertised crankshaft" horsepower.

Mutt1979 said:

T4) By changing the delivery you have now brought this bang in the firing line of the litre bikes. It is now the same as the competition and Ducati is cheating with an extra 100 cc to be able to keep up. The 2018 BMW is stacking up to be an amazing machine......... just saying.

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Cheating? Where is the rulebook for the street again?

If you want "competition" the R will be around next year.

BTrain5489 said:

Cheating? Where is the rulebook for the street again?

If you want "competition" the R will be around next year.

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There isn't one, but you get what I mean. There's always been the litre bike class and Ducati have stuck in an 1100. If it was a 1000 they wouldn't be able to get much more power than the 1299 while still keeping it cost effective.

Mutt1979 said:

There isn't one, but you get what I mean. There's always been the litre bike class and Ducati have stuck in an 1100. If it was a 1000 they wouldn't be able to get much more power than the 1299 while still keeping it cost effective.

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Well, if you're saying the V4 at 1100cc is cheating for its class, then technically the 1299 also is, right? Nothing new for Ducati. And the 1000cc "non-cheating" R version has been long announced anyway, as mentioned above.

crossdx said:

Well, if you're saying the V4 at 1100cc is cheating for its class, then technically the 1299 also is, right? Nothing new for Ducati. And the 1000cc "non-cheating" R version has been long announced anyway, as mentioned above.

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Again, I get what you mean (1199cc twin). I suppose in my mind I'm just thinking the twin was allowed the extra cc, Ducati have made the move to 4 cylinders but don't want to give up that advantage. It's not cheating per say, but if the next gen of jap bikes/BMW/Aprillia etc get 210-215 bhp out of 1000cc then by comparison the Ducati would appear to be the lesser machine no? They've not achieved anything special, it's something any manufacturer could do by increasing the engine displacement.