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So for the 1st time in 30 years I am going to slicks. Pirelli SC-1. Can anyone that remembers what this is like tell me what are some things I should be aware of going from DOT's to slicks. All of my experience has been racing on DOT's everything from Michelins, Metzelers. Dunlop SportMax back in the 80 &90s to Pirelli SuperCorsa SP V2's now. I was told at a recent track day it's about time I really go for some slicks since I am going tough DOT tires so quickly.

So I ask the forum what should I expect as far as feel and transition. BTW I do have Chickenhawk Professional tire warmers.

Thank you all in advance!

Blade
 
So for the 1st time in 30 years I am going to slicks. Pirelli SC-1. Can anyone that remembers what this is like tell me what are some things I should be aware of going from DOT's to slicks. All of my experience has been racing on DOT's everything from Michelins, Metzelers. Dunlop SportMax back in the 80 &90s to Pirelli SuperCorsa SP V2's now. I was told at a recent track day it's about time I really go for some slicks since I am going tough DOT tires so quickly.

So I ask the forum what should I expect as far as feel and transition. BTW I do have Chickenhawk Professional tire warmers.

Thank you all in advance!

Blade

What is driving your choice to use the SC-1 compound? I've been using Pirelli slicks for quite awhile now and really like them. However, I typically run the SC-2 compound.
 
In the front run an SC2 rear SC0-SC2 depending on temp and track surface..


What youll notice is massive grip increase and performance. Its very noticeable and amazing.
 
In the front run an SC2 rear SC0-SC2 depending on temp and track surface..


What youll notice is massive grip increase and performance. Its very noticeable and amazing.

I ran a set of SC0's for fun once. Got about 8 laps out of them lol.
 
Personally I prefer the SC1 front for the softer carcass and improved feel on corner entry, but most people seem to prefer the stiffer carcass SC2 for the added stability in braking. Slicks are awesome IF you're running tire warmers AND running an Advanced pace so you'll keep heat in them. If you don't keep heat in them, then there is no improvement in grip over the DOT's. Generally, the wear tends to be better on the slicks if pressures are monitored carefully, but there are so many variables to that it's not a blanket "slicks last longer than DOT's" statement. If you're wearing out DOT's quickly you'd want to find out why that is, or you'll likely have the same problem with slicks. Suspension, riding style, pressures, etc. all have to be dialed in. For any of the "fast guys" I always put them on slicks unless they have to run DOT's for Supersport race classes, everything is better about the slicks.
 
The Pirelli slicks are excellent for about 1/2 to 3/4 of a days hard riding and then they drop off considerably, much the same as the Supercorsas really. The feel and communication you get from them is great although I've found that whilst the S is happy on them , the R does not like them at all and really benefits from the stiffer compound on the Dunlop slicks.
I use an SC1 front in the UK as it's often colder but tend to mostly use SC2 front and rear everywhere else, sometimes a 1 on the rear if it's getting really hot. Most people in inters or above should benefit from using slicks, especially on a Panigale which are very strong on the brakes so usually get plenty of heat in the front quickly.
 
I was looking at the Pirelli site today and noticed that they make a tire called the pro. Its intended fro endurance and track days. Anyone tried this tire?
 
I was looking at the Pirelli site today and noticed that they make a tire called the pro. Its intended fro endurance and track days. Anyone tried this tire?

Pirelli's corporate web sites are always horribly outdated, I would not pay any attention to them. The Pro was discontinued (which is great, since it was not a good tire) and has been replaced with the SC3 compound slicks (which is a MUCH better tire). The SC3's have a wide temperature range and hard rubber compound, so there's good for track day use at the expense of the outright grip of the SC1/SC2 tires.
 
Ive just done a couple of back to back race meets. The aim was to get the 1299 set up and get a better understanding of tire wear and grip for the 1299. Running midfield in each of the race meets on different tracks and different riders (two thousand km apart). Far from good conditions .... last meet they sent us out with track temperature at -2 degrees for qualifying ! Sc1 front and Sc2 rear. The rear is going to give me 11 sprint races and the front will come off because of to many heat cycles. Note.... when the temp warms up i'll switch to Sc2 front and Sc1 then Sc0 rear.

Good advice from a Pirelli tech,
Go out and do a session hard, come in and get a temp reading . Lets say you achieved 65 degrees and your pressures are in the ball park. Set your tires at 65 degrees on the warmers and once they have stabilised set the pressures at 27 rear 34-35 front. Then if your climate is cold crank the T up to 85 to safe guard the lost time getting on track/grid or up to pace .

Any sign of tear, go up in pressure 1psi not down, as i have been making the mistake for to long. He insisted that underinflated tires give to much contact surface and doesnt heat the surface , resulting in cold tear. If you are riding aggressively enough you will get plenty of carcass flex , but you have to keep the top rubber soft.

Learnt so much getting the suspension right for the 1299 too , handy when its TB21 and his suspension guru that spent an afternoon helping me !
 
whats the recommended pressures for the Sc1/Sc2 F/R combo? i'll be trying them out for the first time on my 959 in 2 weeks. Full ohlins setup for my weight, fast intermediate rider
 
whats the recommended pressures for the Sc1/Sc2 F/R combo? i'll be trying them out for the first time on my 959 in 2 weeks. Full ohlins setup for my weight, fast intermediate rider

that question is best answered by your tire vendor..
 
When in doubt start with 27R/32F hot off the warmers, but local track conditions may vary.
 
So for the 1st time in 30 years I am going to slicks. Pirelli SC-1. Can anyone that remembers what this is like tell me what are some things I should be aware of going from DOT's to slicks. All of my experience has been racing on DOT's everything from Michelins, Metzelers. Dunlop SportMax back in the 80 &90s to Pirelli SuperCorsa SP V2's now. I was told at a recent track day it's about time I really go for some slicks since I am going tough DOT tires so quickly.



So I ask the forum what should I expect as far as feel and transition. BTW I do have Chickenhawk Professional tire warmers.



Thank you all in advance!



Blade



Where are you riding, what are you riding, what's the temperature going to be like, what speed group are you in? Let's start there!


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What this man said ^

check with the local track guys.

My track you either use SC0's or Dunlops (soft) yet both tires require different pressures/temp and even suspension setups.


My first time with a set of good second hand SC0's (following the general SC0 Guidllines) I cold teared in the first session.

I had to up the temp on my wamers drop the air pressure 1-2psi and stiffen the rear a little in order to get the tire's hot.

While rest of that first meeting wasnt fun, next meeting with a new set using new base lines pressures/temps It was a very big improvment.
 
Here you go digest this, read right through

Focus on the new DIABLO™ Superbike SC3 compound

The new SC3 solution, available for the front and the rear is the longest lasting of those present in the Pirelli DIABLO™ Superbike 2016 range. This solution was developed after years of experience acquired in the FIM Endurance World Championship and from the many victories in competitions such as Le Mans 24 Hours or the Bol d’Or. It is designed for endurance racing but also for track day riders, which a high level of wear resistance and long lasting performance is needed.

When compared to the SC2 rear, which is similar in characteristics, the SC3 offers greater durability and more constant performance in all ranges of use, at the cost of outright lap times. On the front, the SC3 is versatile and offers constant performance. Compared to an SC1 it offers longer mileage but at the cost of grip and lap times, while if compared to the SC2 it continues to offers better mileage. The new SC3 is an excellent solution for endurance competition and track day riders and for example, Northern Europe Championships, where these new tires are less likely to tear with the cold During the year it will also be appearing in the MOTUL FIM Superbike World Championship but only as a front option: the circuits the World Championship are raced on, the length of the races and the temperatures normally encountered on these occasions do not in fact make it a valid solution for the rear where, in almost all cases, riders prefer the higher performance SC0.

DIABLO™ Superbike: the compounds and their use

There are five DIABLO™ Superbike rear compounds, including the solution used during the Superpole in the MOTUL FIM Superbike World Championship, which is not however available for sale on the market.

There are three, equally important basic criteria for choosing one compound as opposed to another:

1) The type of tarmac

2) The temperature of the asphalt

3) The duration of performance required

These are the rear solutions with corresponding features and range of use:

· SUPERPOLE – Super Soft: The DIABLO™ Superbike Superpole, unlike the other tires is not for sale on the market and is used only by the riders of the Superbike World Championship to get the best starting grid position during the second session of Superpole held on the Saturday. This solution has a very soft and therefore high-performance compound with good grip, able to guarantee a practically immediate warm-up and maximum performance permitting a full lap at maximum performance after the starting lap.

· SC0 – Soft: This solution has a soft compound, ideal for tackling smooth asphalt and high temperatures. It is by far the most widely used rear solution in the MOTUL FIM Superbike World Championship. It offers maximum tread contact on smooth asphalt and maximum traction development at high temperatures as well as higher resistance to thermal performance decay.

· SC1 – Medium: This option offers a medium-hardness compound, which places it halfway between the soft and the hard solutions. It is the most popular solution when, perhaps on account of it being too cold or the asphalt being particularly abrasive, the SC0 can't be used.

· SC2 – Hard: Until last year this was the hardest solution in the range. It's used mainly in national championships, where the asphalt is hard and/or abrasive or where external temperatures are low. Thanks to its characteristics the hard compound is capable of ensuring excellent resistance to cold tearing (i.e. tearing of the rubber of the tread strip) and to wear.

· SC3 – Super Hard: This is the new entry for 2016 and the out-and-out sturdiest solution of the range. Developed above all for endurance activities it can however be used in all national championships where a compound particularly resistant both to abrasive asphalt and/or to low temperatures is needed.

There are three front compounds of the DIABLO™ Superbike but the criteria for use are not the same as those used to choose the rear compounds. In this case as well as the temperature and hardness of the asphalt, it's important to bear in mind the layout of the track, and above all the rider's driving style. Generally speaking, however, when the temperature of the track increases the compound tends to become less compact and lose rigidity, sometimes causing problems of movement when leaning. In this case it's advisable to use a harder compound such as the SC2.

On the other hand, when the track is cold, the compound tends to become more rigid and this leads to less grip with possible under-steering and decreased stability while braking. In these conditions it is better to use a soft compound such as SC1.

These are the front solutions with corresponding features and range of use:

· SC1 – Soft: Is the softest front compound developed for low outdoor temperatures and medium-severe circuits: it maximizes tread contact and the “presence” of the front tire. This is the solution preferred by riders who want a predictable tire able to let them know directly when they are about to reach the grip limit. It is generally preferred to the SC2 on circuits with significant depressions since it ensures the absorption of shock and vibrations (chattering).

· SC2 – Medium: This is the medium hardness compound, the best for high temperatures since it guarantees solidity in the tread. This is the solution that more aggressive riders opt for, with a compact tread strip as well as greater solidity, stability and precision when driving and entering curves.

· SC3 – Hard: New for 2016. Compared to the two previous solutions it certainly offers a higher mileage while remaining versatile. This could prove the best solution for the front tire on particularly demanding circuits.

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So I'm going to resurrect this thread as I'm about to make the switch to Pirelli Slicks from Dunlop...

Here's the deal, I primarily ride in the Mid-West/ South, temperatures anywhere between 70F to mid 90F... Most tracks NCM, Putnam, PittRace have all fairly new and smooth surface. I run mid pace in the Advance group...

What would be a good starting point here for the tire compounds?
 
So I'm going to resurrect this thread as I'm about to make the switch to Pirelli Slicks from Dunlop...

Here's the deal, I primarily ride in the Mid-West/ South, temperatures anywhere between 70F to mid 90F... Most tracks NCM, Putnam, PittRace have all fairly new and smooth surface. I run mid pace in the Advance group...

What would be a good starting point here for the tire compounds?

You really can't go wrong with SC2, the V2 version of that tire (the new one) has a very wide temp range on it. That's for the rear. On the front, we've found the SC1 and SC2 can both handle a wide range of temps. The bigger choice on the front is what you prefer for front end feel. SC1 if you like a lot of feedback on trail-braking and don't mind a little squirm under hard braking. SC2 if you like lots of stability on braking. Both have strong edge grip. Personally, I'm an SC1 guy, but we sell twice as many SC2 to SC1 fronts so I'd say I'm in the minority.

The SC3 are gaining steam now with the latest version. The rear is pretty durable, and they're good for cooler temps and don't cold-tear as easily. Outright grip is still below the SC2/SC1 level, so not many guys are racing on those, but for track day use they're becoming more popular due to the lower cost, especially the rears.
 
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