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RobertH

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Hi Folks,

My 2018 V4S just had it's original QS sensor stop working. Do these ever recover by themselves, or once they stop working, are they junk ?

If replacements are better, what brand is best ?

Is there any additional benefit in getting the ECO2 software upgrade too ?

Thank you
 
There is a very very marginal improvement to QS performance by getting the Evo 2 upgrade. I mean, so small that you will be forgiven if you totally missed noticing it. It's because a lot of the QS logic is driven by the BBS and Evo 2 updates the BBS software. I wouldn't do EVO 2 unless you are 100% track only, and definitely not for any QS improvements.

If your sensor itself is fried that sure, you need a new sensor. Otherwise, I would get an engine tune first - SLR or Bren or similar. They adjust QS kill times and that usually fixes the early model QS issues.
 
Thanks for the response Tom.

What's the consensus re : SLR or Brentune tuning ? Worth it ? I already have slip on mufflers, Sprint race air filter, and T-800 Upmap

Thank you

Robert
 
RobertH said:
Thanks for the response Tom.

What's the consensus re : SLR or Brentune tuning ? Worth it ? I already have slip on mufflers, Sprint race air filter, and T-800 Upmap

Thank you

Robert
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On a dyno the SLR or BT map will give more power than the Up-Map map. You won't feel any difference on track.

Woolich is another mapping/tuning device/company that allows a dyno guy to make a custom map for your bike. As opposed to the 'canned' tune/map supplied by SLR/BT/Up-Map
 
RickD996 said:
On a dyno the SLR or BT map will give more power than the Up-Map map. You won't feel any difference on track.

Woolich is another mapping/tuning device/company that allows a dyno guy to make a custom map for your bike. As opposed to the 'canned' tune/map supplied by SLR/BT/Up-Map
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In addition to power, SLR and Bren promise better driveability (rideability?). Smoother TPS tables (meaning smoother throttle), less engine braking (or more), different kill times for QS, etc. I can tell you the T800 upmap on a 2018 is very raw. Bike is brutal to ride (on track, I have no idea about street). I just got the SLR tune and cannot tell you if it makes it easier/tamer, but that's the idea.
 
RickD996 said:
On a dyno the SLR or BT map will give more power than the Up-Map map. You won't feel any difference on track.

Woolich is another mapping/tuning device/company that allows a dyno guy to make a custom map for your bike. As opposed to the 'canned' tune/map supplied by SLR/BT/Up-Map
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You don’t need a Dyno for Woolich. Woolich will auto tune and allows you to apply characteristics of your choice. A dyno tune is static and remains that way until an adaptive augmentation is implemented. Most tunes sold are “canned” (one size fits all) unless you throw the bike on a dyno or implement active tuning. Woolich is the way to go if you want the best tune for your riding style and operational environment.
 
You don't need a dyno but I'd think you'd want to if you had the access.

In the video he mentions having the air injection system blocked off, narrow band O2 sensors unplugged and disabled in software, fresh plugs and air filter and no exhaust leaks. So no big surprises. I've just started getting into their videos. I remember it being a similar system to what Tuneboy had going with the xx99 bikes. I tried the laptop in a backpack street tune but had a hard time getting all of the data points I wanted.

 
Oh no doubt it’s a powerful tool but for the average guy who may experience variability in their riding style and environment, I like the auto/manual tune. The pulls in the dyno are hardly indicative of a pulsed and completely erratic throttle plot on a daily driver. I like that the auto tunes for the riders style of use and at the same time allows you to strategically layer in nuances to optimize.
 
It’s strange that Woolich don’t mention QS kill times in their product features even though it’s very likely available.

I would argue that SLR canned tunes are probably more sorted out of the box because it seems they have more experience with the V4 platform but I could be wrong.

Regarding SLR vs Bren, I’ve observed more positive feedback from SLR and less negative.

Having said all that, I agree with the posts above regarding Woolich. I’m looking forward to testing their products more than other available options.


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Woolich gives much more flexibility than SLR for sure, but if that's what you need, despite what you want, remains to be seen.

I'm on the fence for the SLR or the Woolich, and the Woolich is a better product but is it a better product for me?

Alkhater said:
Regarding SLR vs Bren, I’ve observed more positive feedback from SLR and less negative.
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Same. They use the same device, but that not important. The quality of the flash and support is what matters.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
Woolich gives much more flexibility than SLR for sure, but if that's what you need, despite what you want, remains to be seen.
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Not sure what you mean by this [emoji3595]

In terms of what’s better… I think there’s essentially no difference in capability between the two. If afr is logged using a zt or equivalent, both woolich and slr can make mail in(e-tune) adjustments. Only advantage with the woolich is auto-tune capability which is pretty significant, especially when adjusting for changes in atmospheric conditions i.e. seasonal changes.


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Dudes here always seem to want the most amazing wiz bang awesome product. What everyone probably needs is more track time and a coach. I have no ..... to give about 1/4 miles times like a street racing/highway pull nub.

I've been tempering my purchases with this in mind.

Seasonal and altitude changes are so low on the spectrum of .... that matters. If you are a sponsored professional racer, sure. For everyone else, no.

It wasn't mean as you (Alkhater) in particular. I was being much more general.
 
bp_SFV4 said:
Dudes here always seem to want the most amazing wiz bang awesome product. What everyone probably needs is more track time and a coach. I have no ..... to give about 1/4 miles times like a street racing/highway pull nub.

I've been tempering my purchases with this in mind.
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Ah yes, agreed.

I’m actually more interested in the drivability (smoothness) aspect of the tune rather than all out power. Smooth power delivery and partial throttle behavior makes for a much more enjoyable riding experience.


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I just want my bike to work reliably. As an early adopter of a new model, I hate to say it but Ducati and various other suppliers have kind of ...... me on this. For example:

Arrow - paid nearly $2000 USD for their slip on exhaust system. It decks out on track. No apology, no replacement, no help at all. Fuckers.

Ducati - many recalls in the earlier days. Bike off the road for weeks / months in total...acceptable up until a certain point but then....ZERO help inside or outside the warranty period for the following known problems :

1. dashboard cracks in sunlight - what the .... guys seriously - reported within warranty period, told it was my fault - quoted $2500 AUD replacement part cost
2. gear position sensor - known bad part failed. Cost $450 to replace
3. exhaust header pipe blew out. Again of course this is my fault (?????) even though it's a known faulty part globally. $1300 to replace.
4. now here we go with the QS sensor. Joy.
 
RobertH said:
I just want my bike to work reliably. As an early adopter of a new model, I hate to say it but Ducati and various other suppliers have kind of ...... me on this. For example:

Arrow - paid nearly $2000 USD for their slip on exhaust system. It decks out on track. No apology, no replacement, no help at all. Fuckers.

Ducati - many recalls in the earlier days. Bike off the road for weeks / months in total...acceptable up until a certain point but then....ZERO help inside or outside the warranty period for the following known problems :

1. dashboard cracks in sunlight - what the .... guys seriously - reported within warranty period, told it was my fault - quoted $2500 AUD replacement part cost
2. gear position sensor - known bad part failed. Cost $450 to replace
3. exhaust header pipe blew out. Again of course this is my fault (?????) even though it's a known faulty part globally. $1300 to replace.
4. now here we go with the QS sensor. Joy.
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Then it’s an opportunity to replace with a cordona or HM QS.

Being an early adopter of a platform almost always involves reliability issues regardless of manufacturer.


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Being an early adopter of a platform almost always involves reliability issues regardless of manufacturer.

- understood and I knew that going in when I bought it.
What's not fine is the customer service and support from both Arrow and Ducati Australia.
By releasing and charging top $ for faulty products - and then making me pay full price to repair them - that is NOT ok.
Premium pricing should equate to class-leading product quality AND after-sales service, not repeated slaps in the face.
I love the bike itself, just hate the service and support.
 
RobertH said:
Being an early adopter of a platform almost always involves reliability issues regardless of manufacturer.

- understood and I knew that going in when I bought it.
What's not fine is the customer service and support from both Arrow and Ducati Australia.
By releasing and charging top $ for faulty products - and then making me pay full price to repair them - that is NOT ok.
Premium pricing should equate to class-leading product quality AND after-sales service, not repeated slaps in the face.
I love the bike itself, just hate the service and support.
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I 100% agree, you would expect more support. Clearly their products haven't been developed enough.
 

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