Rear Spring

Just for reference, I'm 6'1" 205 lbs/225 lbs with gear. I have 10.0/10.0 Nmm springs in the forks and a 100 Nmm spring on the rear. I am slow and ride 20 seconds off the track record (set by Josh Hayes). I ride 95% street though. My bike feels great as far as I can tell.

Do ohlins do an 85 spring, im 180lbs 85 should be about right?

duc077 said:

I'm 180lbs

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WITH gear, or 180lbs PLUS gear? Big difference...

jarelj said:

We also have them listed here:
Ohlins Shock Spring - Panigale 1199/899 | OHLINS-SS

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Available springs, with weight chart. YMMV.

with gear 182, thanks for chart

Right, picked the bike up yesterday with an 80 shock spring and it feels a lot more compliant on the road. It used to be so stiff before I thought Panigales are meant to be like that, at the moment it feels a lot normal like my Japanese 600!

I want to try a new setup new from scratch, does any one have a tried setup I can try and analyse? I have a 0.95 front spring, 80 rear at the moment. The rear static sag at the moment after the spring change is 16mm, compression is 12 clicks out and rebound is also 12 clicks out, the same I had with the old 90 spring. (du 930 ttx shock after market)

Front is 37mm rider sag. I think compression damping is set to 14 clicks out and rebound is 11 clicks out at the moment. (FGRT 203).

Thanks.

mali said:

Right, picked the bike up yesterday with an 80 shock spring and it feels a lot more compliant on the road. It used to be so stiff before I thought Panigales are meant to be like that, at the moment it feels a lot normal like my Japanese 600!

I want to try a new setup new from scratch, does any one have a tried setup I can try and analyse? I have a 0.95 front spring, 80 rear at the moment. The rear static sag at the moment after the spring change is 16mm, compression is 12 clicks out and rebound is also 12 clicks out, the same I had with the old 90 spring. (du 930 ttx shock after market)

Front is 37mm rider sag. I think compression damping is set to 14 clicks out and rebound is 11 clicks out at the moment. (FGRT 203).

Thanks.

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Sounds like you need more preload on that rear spring if you have 16mm of static sag. Get your rider sag closer to 30mm on the rear and you'll be more in the "normal" range. Static sag is usually 5-10mm.

I will check the rider sag today. I might get 27mm rear rider sag with a static sag of 16mm, is that possible?

I had a static sag of 13mm earlier with the 90 spring.

mali said:

I will check the rider sag today. I might get 27mm rear rider sag with a static sag of 16mm, is that possible?

I had a static sag of 13mm earlier with the 90 spring.

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Doesn't sound right, I'd measure again.

Something horribly wrong if you're getting 16mm of static sag. Should be ~ 8mm of static sag.

sounds about right, 16mm static sag, 27mm rider sag. I think it's much worse if you get 16mm static sag, and only 20mm rider sag.

I am getting 19mm static and 35mm rider sag for street, can easily up the preload to 10mm static and 25mm rider. On the setup sheet from Ohlins, recommendation is 5-20mm sag without rider, 15-35 with rider.

I was going to say Dan Kyle also. I'm about 320 with gear and he did my rear spring. He also did full front and rear suspension for an old R1 I had. Super good guy and dependable.

Per Jarelj's request, I measured the static sag again and I am getting 16mm static sag and 28mm rider sag, that is with the new 80 spring and I weight 75kgs with gear.

Hi Jarel,

I followed the baseline spring recommendations you kindly suggested (Ducati Omaha Online Store) and changed my configuration to:

1199 Panigale S (Street/Track Day Use)
Suspension setting: FLAT
Rider wieght w/gear: 175 lb.
Shock spring: 80 Nm
Fork springs: 0.95 Kg
Rider Sag Rear: 33 mm
Rider Sag Front: 35 mm

Can you please provide me with baseline recommendations for both front and rear compression and rebound settings ???

Thanks, and also thanks for all the useful information you post in this forum !!!

Hey can I ask for some advice he. I have an R which I ride exclusively on track days now. It has around 5500 miles , half on tracks. I do around 25 track days a year, quite a lot more than average. I run around 10 seconds below the track record.

I have a 90NM stock spring, swing arm pivot in the +4 position (not getting a lot of DTC interference on corner exit but rear tire life around 3 track day or 15 , 20 minute sessions).

Rear rider sag is 27mm, static 11mm. I weigh just over 200lbs with gear.

Am getting some wallowing in the high speed corners on the smoother tracks. Last time I had the rear compression damping maxed out and the bike did not feel overly stiff. Iam told that the ohlins shock needs servicing, oil change etc. the mileage on my bike is all hard riding and th fork oil has been changed twice already. The first time around 3000 miles and it came out completely black and watery. Do the ohlins shocks need periodic overhaul ?

Local ohlins also suggesting harder sprint, I don't think I need one but my riding style is very rough and hard.

have just adjusted the shock down to 310mm and forks -2mm I.e. Front end down. Will try at the track tomorrow and then try the settings suggested here. I.e 306mm and -3

Any advice or pointer appreciated.

Got one!

bradp51 said:

I am into lightening my bike so I gave RCS a call but they do not do Ti springs for road bikes anymore. Their range is actually fairly limited. They can make a custom spring from $950 USD. Bit too much for me. I wonder how much the part number for the SL Ti spring is ?

Keen to talk to my local suspension guy who supplies Ohlins and see whether a 85nm may take some of the harshness out of my rear suspension.

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Ducati Westlake ordered me a 85Nm Ti coil from Ohlins. I was able to get the sag set correctly and ran it at the last track day. The rear seems to work much better and I saw much less tearing on the tire. The harshness was significantly decreased for me. I'm very happy and recommend trying it.
Bradp51- The steel coil weighed over 2 pounds and the Ti weighs less than one! I think it ran me $685 USD.

I weigh 145, and have a base model 1199... I've found the spring rate and springs for the front forks but haven't found any shocks for the back for the non ohlins shock. Can I put a 75nm ohlins shock on the showa?

You don't have a Showa rear shock, is a Sachs. I have a base and had to upgrade because both front and rear didn't any dampening. Base=junk suspension.

Ah idk why I said Showa. So there isn't a softer spring for the Sachs shock?

I mentioned it in another thread, but bodyweight has little to do with what springs you need on your bike. Sure, if you know absolutely nothing about your setup or riding or anything like that, changing springs can help you get a better static sag.

But what truly matters is the way the bike handles and acts on track. What is truly important is the dynamic geometry...and bodyweight has little to do with that. Like I said in the other thread, a buddy of mine weighs 135lbs (61kg) and his bike is sprung for somebody that weighs 225lbs (102kg).

My bikes are way oversprung for my weight also. I actually have the stiffest rear spring on the TTX that Ohlins offers.