Restricted in second gear?

Somefun · Jun 14, 2020

Guys do you get the feeling the bike might be limited some how in second gear? First gear feels real good and blows a wheelie no problem but second just doesn’t feel like that to me. I know some manufacturers do it by timing but with all the electronics on this girl they could do it a million different ways.

aTahmission · Jun 14, 2020

Somefun said:
Guys do you get the feeling the bike might be limited some how in second gear? First gear feels real good and blows a wheelie no problem but second just doesn’t feel like that to me. I know some manufacturers do it by timing but with all the electronics on this girl they could do it a million different ways.

I can't speak from experience because I don't have mine yet, but a rumor on another forum is that torque is limited in all gears but 6th. Apparently during the launch event the lead engineer for the SF said that torque is limited in 1 - 5. Here's the tread I'm referring to.

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realnuts · Jun 15, 2020

I believe it is not restricted, au contraire
in 3rd gear at 60mph (100km/h), it has 14% more torque than the panigale V4
the gearing is different (-1 front, +1 rear), so it feels very different
maybe you were in "normal" mode? Try "sport" or "race"
Or maybe it still needs its first service at 600miles (1000km), then it is restricted starting around 8500rpm

Somefun · Jun 15, 2020

realnuts said:
I believe it is not restricted, au contraire
in 3rd gear at 60mph (100km/h), it has 14% more torque than the panigale V4
the gearing is different (-1 front, +1 rear), so it feels very different
maybe you were in "normal" mode? Try "sport" or "race"
Or maybe it still needs its first service at 600miles (1000km), then it is restricted starting around 8500rpm

Naaaa I have 650 on her and the modes don’t change torque or throttle ramp. I ride in sport and then race set to fixed suspension at the track.

DStyleNZL · Jun 15, 2020

With Modern Fly-by-wire throttles, the throttle position vs throttle butterfly position isnt true and linear like the old cable throttles. The ECU tuners have proven this in the v2 Panigales that 100% throttle position isnt necessarily 100% butterfly position.

Also all the TC/wheelie control is direct related to the ECU playing with the throttle butterfly also.

Somefun · Jun 15, 2020

DStyleNZL said:
With Modern Fly-by-wire throttles, the throttle position vs throttle butterfly position isnt true and linear like the old cable throttles. The ECU tuners have proven this in the v2 Panigales that 100% throttle position isnt necessarily 100% butterfly position.

Also all the TC/wheelie control is direct related to the ECU playing with the throttle butterfly also.

Yeah very true. On my H2 before I had it de restricted when you were WOT the eco closes the butterflies to 40% I think it was. Don Guhl flashed it to be 100% when you were WOT and on the very next pull we gained over 35HP.

DucatiKev · Jun 15, 2020

Somefun said:
we gained over 35HP.

impressive. 35hp is probably noticeable on the street

Somefun · Jun 16, 2020

DucatiKev said:
impressive. 35hp is probably noticeable on the street

she puts down 265 rwhp. Definitely a ripper for sure.

Phl · Jun 16, 2020

on the old 1199, tuneboy made a mapping where you had all torque in all gears.

time to come out with that for the V4

Somefun · Sep 5, 2020

Phl said:
on the old 1199, tuneboy made a mapping where you had all torque in all gears.

time to come out with that for the V4

definitely! I rode her yesterday and she just doesn’t pull Hard below 10,000 rpms compared to my Speciale. I’m thinking of a +3 rear to wake her up but would rather get her flashed to remove any restrictions she might have.

Somefun · Sep 13, 2020

So I was out on the Speciale again today and she definitely pulls better and thats with the same sprockets. They have to be holding this girl back!

BP PanigaleV4S · Sep 13, 2020

Is there a Tuneboy option that works with the SF?

Somefun · Sep 14, 2020

bp_SFV4 said:
Is there a Tuneboy option that works with the SF?

Not sure if anything is out yet for the SF. But I definitely want to see what I can find.

WyldCFH · Sep 14, 2020

Somefun said:
Not sure if anything is out yet for the SF. But I definitely want to see what I can find.

If I weren't so far away in TX, I'd let them have mine for a few days to have a look at it.

Somefun · Sep 14, 2020

I might reach out to Brent tuning. They are in MA which is only about an hour away

Somefun · Sep 14, 2020

WyldCFH said:
If I weren't so far away in TX, I'd let them have mine for a few days to have a look at it.

I just emailed Tune Boy, Brent tuning and Don Guhl to see if they do anything for the SF

BP PanigaleV4S · Sep 14, 2020

Tuneboy with wideband O2 sensors and cruise control is my wet dream for the SF.

Somefun · Sep 15, 2020

I was on the gearing commander site and the Ducati site and it looks like even the internal transmission gears are the same ratios so something is up for sure. Just ordered a 520 conversion and went with Stock 15 front and bought a 44 and 45 rear gear. I’ll start with the 45 first.

ducatisenti · Sep 23, 2020

Somefun said:
So I was out on the Speciale again today and she definitely pulls better and thats with the same sprockets. They have to be holding this girl back!

wheelie suppression in factory map

Somefun · Sep 23, 2020

ducatisenti said:
wheelie suppression in factory map

I don't know about that... I know they have torque limiting map for each gear and I'm talking to a bunch of guys that are trying to work through that. I know that on the dyno in second it will only put out about 160HWHP but in 4 or 5th its the full 190. Also even with the up map there is a big lean spot from about 3600 to 7600 and that can be tuned out and they will gain around 14HP in that range which is right where I believe the flat spot is on these bikes. I'm doing my 520 conversion this weekend and going to 15F / 45R and that will help but its only a Band-Aid till we get it figured out.

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