Rossi only 1 point ahead of Dovi

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So we are 1/3 of the way through this MotoGp season and our beloved :rolleyes: 46 is only 1 point ahead of the ducati of dovi. whats the excuse? not a good bike? electronics? According to Vale and his fans the ducati was so bad he couldnt do anything. Does this mean that Dovi is the best rider ever? i mean he is 1 point behind the so called king. According to Vale fans he should be in first he is on the same bike as the current world champ. all the money, technology, and race support. instead he is one point from 6th.
 
This is exactly why he should have never left Yamaha in the first place, and then should not have compounded that by leaving Ducati. In doing so Vale created unnecessary pressure on himself. Now he's on the bike the won the title last year and he's been unable to produce. He's been consistently out qualified, out raced and out classed. He should take his over ambitious talents to WSBK and fade into retirement like a good washed up champ should. :D
 
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FrostyFire said:
Good thing this thread title doesn't have any spoilers or anything.
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the title says he is one point ahead of dovi. says nothing about any races. if you can figure out where he placed without seeing the last race by the title then you are pretty good but i know you like to complain and make sarcastic comments just doesnt work with this post.
 
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i never said he wasnt the highest paid. we all know he is. this is more about how he ISNT the best rider and hasnt been for a while now.
 
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mark419ny said:
the title says he is one point ahead of dovi. says nothing about any races. if you can figure out where he placed without seeing the last race by the title then you are pretty good but i know you like to complain and make sarcastic comments just doesnt work with this post.
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You pointed out the standings after the last race, that would be a spoiler. Just saying, if you want to discuss a most recent result (i.e. championship standings) please state spoiler in the thread title. Such as "MotoGP Championship Standings - Spoiler inside" .
 
FrostyFire said:
You pointed out the standings after the last race, that would be a spoiler. Just saying, if you want to discuss a most recent result (i.e. championship standings) please state spoiler in the thread title. Such as "MotoGP Championship Standings - Spoiler inside" .
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1 point ahead could mean 6th & 7th, or 20th & 21st correct? There's no way to tell from this thread. However, if you truly didn't want to read spoilers, you could just stay off of sites that might post them until you watched the race. :cool:
 
FrostyFire said:
You pointed out the standings after the last race, that would be a spoiler. Just saying, if you want to discuss a most recent result (i.e. championship standings) please state spoiler in the thread title. Such as "MotoGP Championship Standings - Spoiler inside" .
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he meant 1 point ahead in terms of banging pit lane girls.

not championship standings.

geezzzz.



take a break with that whole spoiler thing. set your alarm on the weekends and watch the race if you're interested in it :D:D:D
 
I'm not trolling or anything, just pointing out a common thing that I see all the time. Not that it'll ever happen on this forum, but I've seen people banned on others for race-related spoilers.
 
when VR left Yamaha, he was already done... that s what happens... older emperors get dethroned by younger ones... eventually.. the ones sufffering most form his stint at D was D... but due to their own fault. an racing company should never have to ask a rider what he wants for a bike.. All he was capable of telling was : an improved
Yam.. and so they left the monoframe before it was developped fully and now they 're up sh.tcreek. Learning how to build something they never built : an alubeam rame. around an engine that wasn't designed to fit an alubeam frame...
 
Just an FYI. Here are Vale's 2012 vs 2013 averages through the first 6 races.

2012
Avg Qual position = 10th
Avg Race finish position = 7.3
Finishing time behind winner = +25 Sec

2013
Avg Qual position = 7th
Avg Race Finish position = 8.5
Finishing time behind winner = +22 Sec

So far the Yami is good for an extra 3 grid start positions, 1.2 finishing positions and 3 sec off his overall finish time.

Not exactly setting the world on fire like he had hoped? Especially when compared to Dovi's avgs for this year.

2013
Avg Qual position = 5.6
Avg Race Finish position = 6.3
Finishing time behind winner = +24 Sec
 
I'm disappointed, I wanted a Cinderella story with Vale. I wanted it first with Ducati, and that was sad, but I also wanted it with Yamaha when he returned, but it's still not going well.

He took a big chance leaving Yamaha for Ducati to be the undisputed GOAT (Greatest of All Time) if he had won some races on the GP11-12. He had already been the GOAT in my book after his meteoric rise through 125 and 250, then winning championships running away on 500cc two-stroke and the first 4-stroke championship. Dovi qualifies well, starts well, but is finishing in the same position as Rossi did. He also hasn't scored a podium when Rossi had two second and a third place finish on the GP11-12. Plus he scored a 2nd place in the first race on the M1 this year.

Sadly, I think E350 alludes to the real reason he is still doing it. Who here would just quit like Stoner and turn the other way from $20+ Million a year. If you want to .... all over someone for staying in the game too long, then surely Colin Edwards in MotoGP is the worst offender. He's never even won a MotoGP race, but sure is holding onto that paycheck with all his grip as he slides backwards down the grid to lesser and lesser teams.

Rossi is only in his mid-30's. If I was him, I certainly would want as comfortable a retirement as possible. If people still want to pay him $20+ Million a year, why not keep going? And how bad are his results really? He's still only just behind the podium placements and there is a bunch more season left.
 
all good and more important valid points jeff d. the problem is most (not all) of his fans are drones. no matter what happens its never ever rossi and that is what drives me nuts. as i have stated many times before i hear the guy is tremendous with his fans, his record is amazing but if i have said it once i will say it again you have to be real good and lucky at the same time. you cant blame him for being at the right place at the right time. he was never the most talented rider but he always had the best and competition was minimum back then.
Stoner is a better talent. JLO is a better talent. MM is a better talent as well. does that mean they will match his titles no and that is why the debate goes on. all you hear is 9 times world champ from that dope that announces moto gp.

any rider in their prime you could have to start your team are you going with 46?
 
rm4two said:
Just an FYI. Here are Vale's 2012 vs 2013 averages through the first 6 races.

2012
Avg Qual position = 10th
Avg Race finish position = 7.3
Finishing time behind winner = +25 Sec

2013
Avg Qual position = 7th
Avg Race Finish position = 8.5
Finishing time behind winner = +22 Sec

So far the Yami is good for an extra 3 grid start positions, 1.2 finishing positions and 3 sec off his overall finish time.

Not exactly setting the world on fire like he had hoped? Especially when compared to Dovi's avgs for this year.

2013
Avg Qual position = 5.6
Avg Race Finish position = 6.3
Finishing time behind winner = +24 Sec
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you forgot one stat

Avg Number or excuses while riding for Ducati 3-4 per race
 
He was also took out by Bautista in the last race. He is also the highest paid because not enough people watch when he doesn't race. No matter who wins championship, moto gp needs Rossi. I know some of you don't want to believe it but that's the truth.
 
JeffD said:
I'm disappointed, I wanted a Cinderella story with Vale. I wanted it first with Ducati, and that was sad, but I also wanted it with Yamaha when he returned, but it's still not going well.

He took a big chance leaving Yamaha for Ducati to be the undisputed GOAT (Greatest of All Time) if he had won some races on the GP11-12. He had already been the GOAT in my book after his meteoric rise through 125 and 250, then winning championships running away on 500cc two-stroke and the first 4-stroke championship. Dovi qualifies well, starts well, but is finishing in the same position as Rossi did. He also hasn't scored a podium when Rossi had two second and a third place finish on the GP11-12. Plus he scored a 2nd place in the first race on the M1 this year.

Sadly, I think E350 alludes to the real reason he is still doing it. Who here would just quit like Stoner and turn the other way from $20+ Million a year. If you want to .... all over someone for staying in the game too long, then surely Colin Edwards in MotoGP is the worst offender. He's never even won a MotoGP race, but sure is holding onto that paycheck with all his grip as he slides backwards down the grid to lesser and lesser teams.

Rossi is only in his mid-30's. If I was him, I certainly would want as comfortable a retirement as possible. If people still want to pay him $20+ Million a year, why not keep going? And how bad are his results really? He's still only just behind the podium placements and there is a bunch more season left.
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No arguments here on any of those points (particularly CE overstaying his welcome and collecting a paycheck) with the exception of Vale's 2012 podium finishes. Those we all know were in the rain. 2013 hasn't had any rain races to date (with the exception of a drying Le Mans track), so we'll have to wait and see what Dovi can do with the GP13 in the wet. Not trying to "...." on anyone, just trying to point out that Vale is no longer the savior everyone (him included) thinks he was/is. His move to Ducati was a match made in heaven for some. However, it would/could have been more fruitful had it happened 4+ years prior. IMO, Ducati had the best rider (Stoner). Had Ducati showed him a bit more faith/respect (whatever) perhaps he would still be racing for them, however that's another topic of conversation. :)
 
Glogan said:
.....No matter who wins championship, moto gp needs Rossi. I know some of you don't want to believe it but that's the truth.
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from a grander scheme of things you're probably right. But from a personal point of view, I won't watch Motogp more of less if Vale is or isn't racing. For the past 2.5 years he's had little to no influence on race or championship results anyway. :(
 

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