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Alkhater said:
Still doesn’t explain DTC vs DSC.
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So here is my understanding of DTC and DSC. There difference between the two function is the target parameter.

For DTC the target is a slip percentage of the rear tire and the torque is modulated to reach the desired maximum slip percentage.

For the DSC the target is the over steer angle. The torque is the modulated to not exceed the desired over steer angle.

The DTC eventually work as a DSC if the set slip percentage happens to coincide with the slip percentage that is need to perform a slide. On the other hand the DSC always acts as a DTC as it will allow over steer but not complete slide out.

Again, this is just my personal interpretation of the information available.
 
Alkhater said:
I think that’s what he’s saying.

I have Evo 3 but haven’t noticed it either.

Will confirm shortly.
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For the MY22 (23 builds are MY22) the EVO3 goes hand in hand with an updated dashboard software. That is why maybe some other path for reaching functions exists. For the MY21 the OEM Dash software can eventually be retained and of course the functionality of the tyre calibration remains unchanged.
 
DeussenEngines said:
So here is my understanding of DTC and DSC. There difference between the two function is the target parameter.

For DTC the target is a slip percentage of the rear tire and the torque is modulated to reach the desired maximum slip percentage.

For the DSC the target is the over steer angle. The torque is the modulated to not exceed the desired over steer angle.

The DTC eventually work as a DSC if the set slip percentage happens to coincide with the slip percentage that is need to perform a slide. On the other hand the DSC always acts as a DTC as it will allow over steer but not complete slide out.

Again, this is just my personal interpretation of the information available.
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That make more sense.
 
I have carried out tyre calibration a couple of times. Not sure it made a difference 🤔 I don't bother now. I mean, if you have to throw wets on, before heading out for a race/session, you don't have time to carry it out. Didn't feel any worse.
 
RickD996 said:
I have carried out tyre calibration a couple of times. Not sure it made a difference 🤔 I don't bother now. I mean, if you have to throw wets on, before heading out for a race/session, you don't have time to carry it out. Didn't feel any worse.
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🙄
If you are bothered to have paid money to get the technical bike let alone all the up grades you might as well, for the few seconds it takes, calibrate it to your tyres every time
At least it is working then to and with what it has.
Of course it matters..I guess we have arrived at page 3
 
andyb said:
🙄
If you are bothered to have paid money to get the technical bike let alone all the up grades you might as well, for the few seconds it takes, calibrate it to your tyres every time
At least it is working then to and with what it has.
Of course it matters..I guess we have arrived at page 3
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My point being, wets are considerably different in size to slicks. And, having fitted wets, and having no time to carry out the tyre calibration (which takes longer than you might think), everything worked as expected.

Just what I found in real world tests though 🤷‍♂️
 
And, I would suggest, pitlane is not a safe place to carry out the calibration. You have to maintain a set speed, which involves constantly checking your speedo. If anyone steps off pitwall, or pulls out of a garage, you could be in trouble.

I've carried it out in the paddock area at three different circuits. You need a lot of open, and empty, space.

For no discernable benefit.
 
DeussenEngines said:
So here is my understanding of DTC and DSC. There difference between the two function is the target parameter.

For DTC the target is a slip percentage of the rear tire and the torque is modulated to reach the desired maximum slip percentage.

For the DSC the target is the over steer angle. The torque is the modulated to not exceed the desired over steer angle.

The DTC eventually work as a DSC if the set slip percentage happens to coincide with the slip percentage that is need to perform a slide. On the other hand the DSC always acts as a DTC as it will allow over steer but not complete slide out.

Again, this is just my personal interpretation of the information available.
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Exactly, DSC is DTC when you are at lean giving it the beans on the throttle.
 
RickD996 said:
And, I would suggest, pitlane is not a safe place to carry out the calibration. You have to maintain a set speed, which involves constantly checking your speedo. If anyone steps off pitwall, or pulls out of a garage, you could be in trouble.

I've carried it out in the paddock area at three different circuits. You need a lot of open, and empty, space.

For no discernable benefit.
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You never know if you did calibrate the tyres you might get a more than your reported once proper activation of your abs or not seeing the dsc…
🤷🏼‍♂️🤔
 
andyb said:
You never know if you did calibrate the tyres you might get a more than your reported once proper activation of your abs or not seeing the dsc…
🤷🏼‍♂️🤔
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Well, Mr.Andyb, I know it is unlike you to read something someone else has written, and conveniently ignore any information that might not support your points of view. But, if you reread my statement, you may notice (incase you missed it first time around), that I have, actually carried out tyre calibrations, multiple times. And, from my experience of calibrating the tyres, and also not calibrating the tyres, I found there to be no discernable benefit.

Just in case you missed it 🥰
 
in the real world of course...
RickD996 said:
I have carried out tyre calibration a couple of times. Not sure it made a difference 🤔 I don't bother now. I mean, if you have to throw wets on, before heading out for a race/session, you don't have time to carry it out. Didn't feel any worse.
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I have read it .... where does a couple of times become multiple times.......more ........!
 
nope!

Just to clarify what you are saying, Ducati have gone to all this trouble regarding calibrating tyres, and according to you, there is no discernable benefit?
 
andyb said:
nope!

Just to clarify what you are saying, Ducati have gone to all this trouble regarding calibrating tyres, and according to you, there is no discernable benefit?
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Yes, that has been my experience.

So, it wasn't a trick question? Did I get the answer correct?
 
andyb said:
why would they say do it then, for ..... and giggles?
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I don't know. I presume it has some benefit. But, presumably, the system has a wide operating window?

Years ago, I was using an early TC system, and we had to measure tyre circumference, put the info in a program on the laptop, then upload it to the standalone TC unit. It wasn't that sensitive to circumference either, and only had five pickup points for the wheel speed sensors. And, occasionally, the front sensor would go into the wheel and ping off directly infront of me. Guess, at least when I saw it, I knew the TC wasn't active anymore 🤣
 

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