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Hard to imagine, but I guess 200 was hard to imagine then.
I want to disagree, but the historical statistics don't lie.
Onwards and upwards I guess...
Thank god for electronics.
J.
I want to disagree, but the historical statistics don't lie.
Onwards and upwards I guess...
Thank god for electronics.
J.
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Whoa, that would be an experience! I'm not sure what the point would be though with the speed limiter intact. Although, you would have a hell of a lot of tq and hp in the lower to mid rpm range. I don't use what I have now, can't even imagine what that would be like.
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No, in 5 years time, most of our Panis will be sitting in the garage because we cannot afford to fix the out of warranty repairs, ECU, leaking cylinders, leaking forks, and then some stall all the time while others won't start after sitting for a few miutes 
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Let's see
996 has 138hp
999 has 145hp(increase of7hp)
1098 has 155hp(Increase of 10hp)
1198 has 170hp(Increase of 15hp)
1199 has 195hp.(Increase of 25hp)
so the next increae will be around 25-30? if so a bike with 220hp-230hp is not impossible. Let us just hope tha it will posess the low end grunt of the 1198.
996 has 138hp
999 has 145hp(increase of7hp)
1098 has 155hp(Increase of 10hp)
1198 has 170hp(Increase of 15hp)
1199 has 195hp.(Increase of 25hp)
so the next increae will be around 25-30? if so a bike with 220hp-230hp is not impossible. Let us just hope tha it will posess the low end grunt of the 1198.
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And doesn't need 1500cc's to do it.
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all of that added HP....here is a fun little stat: in Germany today there are more paralyzed individuals from motorcycle accidents then there were in all of WW2.
so bring it! more HP for street use! death is actually cheaper so it may be a good thing.
most people up in here couldn't even ride a 916 to its limit, and that's like '94 tech! but hey 1armedbandit, if he's still alive, will be going like 210 mph on public roads while breaking in new exhausts and chips n .......
so bring it! more HP for street use! death is actually cheaper so it may be a good thing.
most people up in here couldn't even ride a 916 to its limit, and that's like '94 tech! but hey 1armedbandit, if he's still alive, will be going like 210 mph on public roads while breaking in new exhausts and chips n .......
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Is this a fact? If so we must be more carefull. I do not want to be part of a bad statistics
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No, in 5 years time, most of our Panis will be sitting in the garage because we cannot afford to fix the out of warranty repairs, ECU, leaking cylinders, leaking forks, and then some stall all the time while others won't start after sitting for a few miutes
Now you have a sense of humor lol its true I've been with out a bike for 6 weeks already sucks
I'm going to say not likely. The recent statistics have shown that the average age of the motorcycle owner is getting older, something north of 40 IIRC. Newcomers to the sport are declining as a percentage from previous years, and the sportbike market has suffered one of the largest contractions of all motorcycle segments. 600cc sportbikes were all the rage only a few short years ago, and that market has fallen flat on its face. The MV Agusta F3 and Triumph 675R are getting all the attention, but that is press attention and if you look at the actual sales numbers of the category, they are seriously down as the weakened worldwide economy makes those bikes non-affordable.
Liter-size sportbikes are right behind, but buoyed by the older gents (like myself at 42) that can afford them and the insurance that comes with them. However, somewhere around this age, the majority start looking for something more comfortable and dare-I-say-it, something easier to live with.
Based on the above, I think that analysts are predicting that sportbikes are going to continue to decline in sales, so less money will be spent on their development and less updates per longer life-cycle will mean the HP war will slow down. I believe we could be at the zenith of sportbike capabilities. The shift will be towards more capable sport-tourers like the Multistrada, which Ducati made great pains to race and win at Pikes Peak to keep the motorsports heritage a strong part of the marketing mix.
For Ducati, the Monster and Multistrada lines are the largest and fastest growing, respectively. The Superbike family is still 21% of total sales, but I predict the streetbike/adventure segments will become increasingly more important from a sales standpoint (Monster, Diavel, Multistrada). The 1199 will receive periodic updates and refinements, probably focusing on semi- and fully active- Skyhook-type suspension. Power will increase slightly through the typical year-over-year engine refinements, but no more than 10% over the model life.
I believe it will also be determined by what BMW does with the S1000RR sportbike line. I predict BMW will focus on enhancing their chassis via handling improvements (Skyhook will become standard just like TC/ABS is now) and considerable weight reduction. Their motor already produces a perfect HP/Torque curve and meets all future emission standards, so there is really no incentive to increase output.
All those factors add up to about 200 HP at the crank being the maximum for at least the next five years.
Personally, I'm always going to have at least one ultra-focused sportbike for track/mountain duty in my garage, but I must say I was shocked at how much I enjoyed the Diavel test ride at Daytona Bike Week a couple months ago.
Liter-size sportbikes are right behind, but buoyed by the older gents (like myself at 42) that can afford them and the insurance that comes with them. However, somewhere around this age, the majority start looking for something more comfortable and dare-I-say-it, something easier to live with.
Based on the above, I think that analysts are predicting that sportbikes are going to continue to decline in sales, so less money will be spent on their development and less updates per longer life-cycle will mean the HP war will slow down. I believe we could be at the zenith of sportbike capabilities. The shift will be towards more capable sport-tourers like the Multistrada, which Ducati made great pains to race and win at Pikes Peak to keep the motorsports heritage a strong part of the marketing mix.
For Ducati, the Monster and Multistrada lines are the largest and fastest growing, respectively. The Superbike family is still 21% of total sales, but I predict the streetbike/adventure segments will become increasingly more important from a sales standpoint (Monster, Diavel, Multistrada). The 1199 will receive periodic updates and refinements, probably focusing on semi- and fully active- Skyhook-type suspension. Power will increase slightly through the typical year-over-year engine refinements, but no more than 10% over the model life.
I believe it will also be determined by what BMW does with the S1000RR sportbike line. I predict BMW will focus on enhancing their chassis via handling improvements (Skyhook will become standard just like TC/ABS is now) and considerable weight reduction. Their motor already produces a perfect HP/Torque curve and meets all future emission standards, so there is really no incentive to increase output.
All those factors add up to about 200 HP at the crank being the maximum for at least the next five years.
Personally, I'm always going to have at least one ultra-focused sportbike for track/mountain duty in my garage, but I must say I was shocked at how much I enjoyed the Diavel test ride at Daytona Bike Week a couple months ago.
i hear what ur saying....but didnt the 1199 sell more than all models last year in such a dying sportbike market? Atleast thats what ferracci told me as well
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In the sport bike market, I highly doubt that saying "We retained the HP levels for our all new model" will help sell the product. It will be a flop. When Kawasaki Launched its all new zx10r, it boasts of the 197hp figures the engine produces. wa back in 2009, the s1000rr gave a buzz that it produces an unheard of 193hp stock power. When panigale is being launched , for sure they wanted to do over what the s1000rr has to offer. they did it by2hp. When the MV agusta f4 was released, they boasted it has 187hp(a big deal way back in 2010). then after 18 months, they yet again boasted that the f4rr has 201hp.
For sure when the all new aprilia rsv4r will be released, they will make sure that the HP figures increased compared to the current 180hp. The all new r1 bound to be launched on this years november eicma show will definitely have an increase hp figures.
With sport bikes, there is only two ways to go, Lighter and more powerfull.
It may be true that world wide the sales of sportbikes is declining, it appeals to a specific target niche who wants more HP, more Torque and less weight. even if they can not even maximize the power, still the word "Same hp, than last years model" will not sell to us. What ever the statistics say, it does not always apply to gear heads such as us.
For sure when the all new aprilia rsv4r will be released, they will make sure that the HP figures increased compared to the current 180hp. The all new r1 bound to be launched on this years november eicma show will definitely have an increase hp figures.
With sport bikes, there is only two ways to go, Lighter and more powerfull.
It may be true that world wide the sales of sportbikes is declining, it appeals to a specific target niche who wants more HP, more Torque and less weight. even if they can not even maximize the power, still the word "Same hp, than last years model" will not sell to us. What ever the statistics say, it does not always apply to gear heads such as us.
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hahahaha this made me laugh. I wonder who keeps on posting those movie links, and not just in this forum but in other forums as well.
Good point. Electric motorcycles are slowly making in-roads, and with the battery and charging issues being solved by the much-much-larger automotive companies, will become more viable as mass-marketed items. And who owns Ducati now?
The other relevant topic here is performance. With improvements such as multi-gear transmissions compared with the unique characteristics of electric motors (i.e. instant and massive torque, more flexibility with mass centralization), the sportbike genre may actually undergo a paradigm shift with electric powerplants. I've watched the last couple of TTX electric races at Daytona and I must say the Brammo bikes are extremely fast and were running almost Supersport lap times.
If the OP's question was more like "I wonder if in 5 years there will be bikes with about 160 HP and 250 lb-ft of torque?", then with electrics I would say that is a definite possibility.
Plus, have you seen the Motoczysz bikes at the Isle of Man? I wouldn't kick this thing out of my garage:
Haha, someone already beat me to it:
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two things to add here:
one: if you got paralyzed in WWII and you were on the German side, guess what? you're dead. your injuries were often too severe to nurse you back to health, if you even made it back to the hospital -- but mostly somebody probably just shot you. it was a war, 70 years ago, and they lost by a lot. so that stat is pretty bogus.
two: in five years time we will easily see HP of 230/240 on liter bikes. they will be the 2019 models. and by that time, all major manufacturers will be at least R&Ding e-bikes.
one: if you got paralyzed in WWII and you were on the German side, guess what? you're dead. your injuries were often too severe to nurse you back to health, if you even made it back to the hospital -- but mostly somebody probably just shot you. it was a war, 70 years ago, and they lost by a lot. so that stat is pretty bogus.
two: in five years time we will easily see HP of 230/240 on liter bikes. they will be the 2019 models. and by that time, all major manufacturers will be at least R&Ding e-bikes.
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