***Spoiler Alert*** MotoGP Argentina 2015 - 3rd race of the season

First off, as I stated "IMHO"

If you don't like opinion, that's fine work me. You Rossi Bots defend him no matter what he does.

Funny, if the situation was completely reversed and Rossi went down, all the Rossi Bots would be screaming! The difference with me is, I will defend anyone even if I don't like them.

Personally, I don't like Rossi, I think he is a big clown. He is a great rider no doubt about it, but not the GOAT he thinks he is. If GOAT stands for Goofiest Of All Time, then he earns that title. Rossi is a great rider, but super dirty too. If rubbing is racing, then he fits right in-like NASCAR. He is ambitious for sure and extremely media savvy. Does anyone remember how dirty Rossi was to Biaggi and Seth on and off the track!

The other reason I don't like him is his claim that he a great development rider. He developed the Ducati into a loser! Only now is Ducati finally turning things around, because Ducati has done away with most of his input. I don't blame Rossi for taking Ducati's money, that's Ducati's fault for putting so much stock/investment into Rossi's and Burgess's claims that they can turn the Ducati around with simple adjustments. Point being, don't claim to be the best development rider/engineer/crew chief on the earth/in the sport then turn Ducati into a total loser!


Ya I stand by what I said:
watch that video with side/view camera angle Rossi looks right over at Marques when he kicks his rearend out into the front wheel of Marques. He has done this something to Biaggi, Seth, and many other riders for years and years. He then uses his power in the media to cover/blame the other riders.




Again:
IMHO

weltonrk said:

We are talking about the 2015 Argentina Race.....right "Kicked the rear out" Too Funny!

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Really, so are you saying that it's not possible to do that?
So for a racer of Rossi's caliber "it's not possible" to kick the rearend out?

you can clearly see MM turn down into rossi's rear wheel MM was going for the inside line!

I will agree that rossi was drifting out to set up the next turn to properly hit his apex..

so rossi drifted out.. IN WHICH he already had the race line because he is IN FRONT! so it matters not what or who is behind him... as he started the line selection MM attempts to come in under him and clips the rear wheel.. game over nothing more nothing less

Rossi didnt get to be on top by always playing the nice guy. You have to be ruthless to be a world champ but he wasn't at fault here.

TwiztedRabbit said:

you can clearly see MM turn down into rossi's rear wheel MM was going for the inside line!

I will agree that rossi was drifting out to set up the next turn to properly hit his apex..

so rossi drifted out.. IN WHICH he already had the race line because he is IN FRONT! so it matters not what or who is behind him... as he started the line selection MM attempts to come in under him and clips the rear wheel.. game over nothing more nothing less

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Yes, you can say Rossi drifted out. You could also say, Marques had the inside line too. In my humble opinion, Rossi drifted his rear wheel into Marques front wheel, while Marques had the inside line.

Anyway, way to go Ducati!


IMHO

DUCKYMAR said:

Really, so are you saying that it's not possible to do that?
So for a racer of Rossi's caliber "it's not possible" to kick the rearend out?

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Under those circumstances, and in that corner......No. Do you even race bro?

shakazulu12 said:

Under those circumstances, and in that corner......No. Do you even race bro?

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Are you kidding me, all those riders ride a 240+hp motorcycles. Of course they can slide the rear end at will! All top level pros can whether it is any nation level Superbike class, AMA, WSBK, and or GP.

No, I do not race, only track days. What does me racing or not have to whether or not Rossi/Marques or any other top level pro rider can slide the rear at will? Please explain how you think they can't slide the rear at will? Have you ever asked any top level rider whether can or not?

Rossi kicked the rear wheel out to take down Marc? Really? That was the SECOND contact in the same corner initiated by Marc... yet it's Rossi's fault? What was Marc trying to do? Clip another brake or traction control line? I'm sure every GP rider not named Marc Marquez is quietly celebrating Marc hitting the tarmac because they all know it's been a long time coming... he deserved it.

This may have been the most dramatic race of the season thus far. Congrats to Dovi and Ducati on the continued progress.

IMHO

Rossi held off for a millisecond for turning in...

Mm had it clocked and was just not expecting it. Rossi knew it because he is as experienced as he just is... He knew mm was on his tire (apex touch) and wanted to teach him a lesson.



Problem is now, MM Has learned it now

DUCKYMAR said:

Yes, you can say Rossi drifted out. You could also say, Marques had the inside line too. In my humble opinion, Rossi drifted his rear wheel into Marques front wheel, while Marques had the inside line.

Anyway, way to go Ducati!


IMHO

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That's like saying my fist got hit with the guys face ? Didn't happen that way .

Phl said:

IMHO

Rossi held off for a millisecond for turning in...

Mm had it clocked and was just not expecting it. Rossi knew it because he is as experienced as he just is... He knew mm was on his tire (apex touch) and wanted to teach him a lesson.



Problem is now, MM Has learned it now

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Would have been extremely risky for Rossi to intentionally set Marc up to hit his rear tire knowing that could have taken them both out OR it could have only caused Rossi to fall leaving Marc with a nice lead in the points. I don't think Rossi did it on purpose, Marc was just being too aggressive IMO. Marc has attempted similar moves on other riders, but this was the first time he took himself out.

DUCKYMAR said:

Yes, you can say Rossi drifted out. You could also say, Marques had the inside line too. In my humble opinion, Rossi drifted his rear wheel into Marques front wheel, while Marques had the inside line.

Anyway, way to go Ducati!


IMHO

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MM had the inside line..? no dude.. the person in front owns the line.. until the person behind has a front wheel past the guy he is passing.. then the one in front owns the track.. plan and simple.. that's TRACK DAY 101... it is the job of the guy passing to make it clean.. not the guy being passed to worry about the guy behind that's why race bikes don't have mirrors..

racing 101... block.. block block.. make your bike as wide as you can so the guy behind cant pass... that's how slower guys and stay p front longer... be hard to pass...
VR held off just a millisecond so MM would have to check himself a little before starting turn in... MM miss judged and paid the price...

Phl said:

IMHO

Rossi held off for a millisecond for turning in...

Mm had it clocked and was just not expecting it. Rossi knew it because he is as experienced as he just is... He knew mm was on his tire (apex touch) and wanted to teach him a lesson.



Problem is now, MM Has learned it now

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Agreed. Rossi's abrupt cut over definitely appeared to have a retaliatory element to it, although I don't think his intention was to cause MM to crash. After being touched on the previous apex, he was probably justified in making this move.

IMO
Rossi passed marquez clean and was over a bike length ahead. marc tried to keep on the gas for a attempt to pass rossi back . marc misjudged the distance hit rossi from behind (indisputable right?) that contact with rossi's swing arm and right butt cheek caused rossi to pause stand up and quickly change direction to maintain his line. rossi was in front holding his line when marq hit him . I think marc was unable to pull back at that point . it was clearly a racing incident . I believe that neither rider did any of that on purpose. I would bet that when interviewed Marquez will take full responsibility and will apologize . I've ran into the back of a racer during a race -.... happens . after the race we just laughed about it ( after I apologized lol)

Hope the kid leaned from this experience

Regarding the accident... all I can say, is that MM was "inocent", he should have known better... Obviously Rossi is a old Fox, so... he knows all the tricks.

No faults or penalties should be applied to Rossi.

Rossi is very well known to make his opponents make mistakes, and MM has done one. Hopefully in the future he will pass like a bullet without Rossi even notice him.

I can't really remember very many champions who were cordual racers. Really don't understand the complaints. Even Rossi is aggressive.....ask Biaggi and Gibernau (sp).

Can we merge this with the other MotoGP round 3 thread?

Re Accident: Rossi cleanly passed MM and then MM decided he was gonna cut Rossi then he decided he was gonna try to cut Rossi's line, although Rossi doesnt let people do that. Rossi had the line. I hate to admit that someone on here was right but when you can't cleanly beat someone they same way they beat you, you pay for it as MM did. Making someone stand up in a corner is different than completely overriding the lines that intersect and taking yourself out and almost someone else which MM has always seemed to not have an issue doing. Luckily this time he paid and no one else. If MM wants to be the GOAT he has to be it all around, Fast, Clean and Thorough. Which he is not yet. Glad they didn't punish MM though as I think he was punished enough with 0 points.