Not necessarily my friend.
I think it has more to do with engine capacity.
All things considered, in the tight stuff a 600 or 750 will theoretically out handle and carry more speed through a corner than a bigger capacity/heavier bike.
It's usually in the longer straights that a bigger capacity bike will show any real advantage.
I honestly believe that I personally could ride an 899 quicker in nearly all circumstances than the 1199.
Bingo..Thats why I love the 1199 and paid the "significantly more money". No liter bike doesn't come close in the corners and Ive tested them all except the MV.
too bad the races have straights in them and the 1199 doesnt come close to winning hahahaha
Jeeze Mark, for .... sake will ya stop worryin' , unbunch your panties and go for a blast, you watch to much TV .
the only reason why i posted this mark the mac is because whenever someone brings up how bad ducati is doing in world superbike or motogp they say hey superstock is closest to our bikes and ducati is doing well there.
as someone said the ducati came in second.
as someone else once said second is the first loser.
Yes, the BMW costs less. But it is made to be less money. It is eveident if you look at the components. The HP4 gets a little better, but still has the numerous different sized hex bolts and .... coatings.
too bad the races have straights in them and the 1199 doesnt come close to winning hahahaha
HP4 is quicker hands down. Walks away from the pani on a straight.
HP4 is quicker hands down. Walks away from the pani on a straight.
flipper i live in new york city. its very very windy here and very cold. my bike is away for the winter all i have is my motogp subscription and this forum to entertain me. this is because come june i am off warranty. so thats means pony up for the extended warranty or pony up big time for all the service i will be needing.
The BMW Stock to Stock will will be faster in the 1/4 mile, the Pani will be faster to top end then the rev limiter will kick in (due to the gentlemen's agreement) then BMW will the walk it the Base or S down.
The R is faster than the BMW HP4 period hands down to top end (because the R ECU is unrestricted) the BMW will not walk it down at top end. BMW is faster at 1/4 mile only.
These are not drag bikes but if you want a fast bike that goes straight get a ZX-14. then you can claim you have the fastest bike.
You do understand that the world isn't straight. If I could teach my mom to keep a bike up and down, she could twist the throttle and ride straight...
The HP4 is a great looking bike. Seen it in detail and even the Competition version which is even sweeter. Nice on the eyes for sure. But so is the 1199R. And, if you have ridden either in race trim, you would understand when I say that the Pani is a better bike overall in my mind due to several factors. First is the handling. Even after setting the BMW up better as it was setup to handle like a dump truck. Even after that, the Pani is still more razor like. I can make adjustments mid turn easily vs the BMW. The BMW is fast. VERY fast. Not as fast as the ZX10s I have ridden, but very close. And yes, the Pani suffers a bit from about mid straight to the top.
But, the ability to carve through turns and especially transitionals, allows it to get out front and stay there. I can click off faster laps on a more consistent basis. That being said, a faster rider on a BMW will wax me. But that's true with even a 600 so... It's all relative.
I think the BMW is a great bike. I do think it is built a little more cheaply. But, my opinion. I base my opinion on components, how things are assembled, how they are clean or just seemingly stuck somewhere. Stuff like that. But I've been around so many different brands of bikes and raced several different brands as well and I try to be unbiased.
But, I also race a Pani and my feelings towards that bike are what they are. But I have ridden at the track several bikes and can compare. I've also not just ridden them once and made a decision, but spent a day trying to find a solid setup. My friend's ZX10 racebike was the last one I did this with and we got to a point that I think I might have been able to run race pace laps even at the track day.
Anyways, all good. Nobody is saying BMW is ..... I am just saying that if you look at the results, Ducati has nothing to be ashamed of. And for all that evaluate the results as to who has the best bike? I think that's silly. Yes, place thought as to how they perform in the hands of professionals, but go to the local tracks and see what everyone is riding and racing and tell me what you find? There are next to ZERO BMWs racing here in the States. There are more Panigales at the club level and actually doing very well, I might add... There are more Suzukis and Kawasakis than anything. That means you should go buy one of those!
Beg to argue that its only quicker in the 1/4. Considering that I have both the BMW pulls harder imo. As for the R I cannot comment as I do not have one or have not had a chance to compare or ride one.