Sweet baby geezus! The Ducati has 3 sets of wings now?

SuperDomestique said:

Reducing grip and displacement is a recipe for disaster. 800’s were barely rideable without crazy electronics. And reducing tire grips is just going to cause more crashes and injuries.

Get rid of the ride height devices and limit aero. That’s low hanging fruit.

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Ride height and aero for sure. Regarding tires, I’m inclined to defer to Spies’ opinion on the issue over folks with less experience.

The problem is that if you improve tyres, then you can go faster with more bike development, which puts more pressure on tires which improve, and the whole cycle begins again.

All the bitching and moaning about the Michelin front is because of the radical change in bike development with aero. I guarantee that if they bring a new front within a few years it will no longer be good enough. So in some respects the front is now the limiting factor, why would you want to improve it when nearly every rider on the grid has arm pump surgery and the bikes are so fast they are exceeding the safety criteria for quite a few tracks?

Marco died In 2011 I think. that was still part of the 800cc experiment iirc. the bikes crashed a lot then too and many blamed the reduction in cc which was an attempt to reduce power reduce speed. you all don't suppose messing with tire traction could backfire on them in any way?

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Lorenzo in China, I remember that one. It was pretty bad.

If they want them to go slower, then make them peddle. Easy.
But then make the tires better, because we still need to buy tires.

Macattack said:

Marco died In 2011 I think. that was still part of the 800cc experiment iirc. the bikes crashed a lot then too and many blamed the reduction in cc which was an attempt to reduce power reduce speed. you all don't suppose messing with tire traction could backfire on them in any way?

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My understanding is the increase in crashes was attributed to the 800’s higher corner speed and peaky power band.

Although there was an initial reduction in power, eventually they were able to raise the rev limit and make nearly the same power, and the power delivery was all top end and quite abrupt (closer to the 2 strokes).

SuperDomestique said:

Reducing grip and displacement is a recipe for disaster. 800’s were barely rideable without crazy electronics. And reducing tire grips is just going to cause more crashes and injuries.

Get rid of the ride height devices and limit aero. That’s low hanging fruit.

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Lowering grip will not increase the number of crashes once everyone gets readjusted. Same number of crashes just they're going slower. What happens when the grip starts going off in a race? Shinko's the future official tire of MotoGP.

Well get to see what happens in Moto 2 and 3 as they swap to Pirelli's, so far from the test they are faster and like the extra grip but unlike the dunlops the grip will drop off and bring tire management into race strategy, presently its full throttle the whole race distance. Michelin could make a tire with the same grip for 27 laps but it wouldnt have the high level of grip (and lap records they covet), I like the fact they have to manage the rubber it makes for good racing, Pecco was very clever this year and while hes fast, Martin is faster but not as smart at tire management.