Sweet baby geezus! The Ducati has 3 sets of wings now?

Paul G said:

why would anyone renew a pretty expensive MotoGP subscription to watch that dull parade?

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bp_SFV4 said:

I'll have to revisit that. 2018 was before my MotoGP subscription.

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burton said:

There was a group of 5 or 6 fighting for the lead the whole race, something like 150 overtakes in the lead group

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Macattack said:

I discount any comparison of F1 to motogp. Motogp and motorcycle road racing requires the whole body of the rider to move in order to circumvent the corner and track and a little bit of areo tech. F1 is more about majority aero tech and minority 2 kg of force inputted onto the steeringwheel by the driver. they are complete opposites. I doubt downforce packages are killing F1 , but if they are Motogp in in no risk of following suit from the prototype racing development that separates motgp from wsbk. motogp aero tech will only make streetbikes better like all the other gifts motogp has given us.

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craig bush said:

Why are we suddenly seeing more processional races then?

Why are racers complaining more frequently than before about difficulty passing?

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Macattack said:

nothing compared to when lorenzo or mm was winning . it was a mm lorenzo walk away session from 2013 to 2019 the margin for victory was way bigger and no one passed anyone for the podium . nearly every race this year the guy in second or third or fourth at lap one ended up winning the race. the guys complaining are running in the back of the pack. 7 different riders have taken a victory this year. that has got to be a record. I'd guess that over 50% of those wins were taken from a less than 4th position at the end of lap one. someone is passing someone. boring is when mm or lorenzo was from pole to finishing the race 12 seconds ahead of the second place guy. I don't know what race you and others are watching, but I'm seeing lots of passing. the announcers keep talking about cooking tires in the draft , but this has always been the case. they just somehow now want to blame this on aerodynamics and wings. if anything I feel like the new areo adds another layer excitement to the sport . I'm thinking this is the closest racing I've seen it almost a decade. the guy in first place is never getting away from the other fast riders and you cannot tell at lap one who is going to take the victory. F1 has zero passing because a car simply cannot go through the turn with another car side by side. motorcycle racing is the opposite we see three bikes at the end of the first turn at lap one on every sunday. at malaysia pecco to pole and finished third and i think there were three different race leaders .

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There’s less and less overtaking in MotoGP and that’s a problem

Sunday’s Spanish Grand Prix at Jerez highlighted a problem in MotoGP – technical developments are making it more and more difficult to overtake

www.motorsportmagazine.com

Overtaking in modern MotoGP now “so hard” - Miller

us.motorsport.com

Marc Marquez: MotoGP has an overtaking problem, 'nearly impossible'

A common compliant after Sunday’s French Grand Prix was how difficult it has become to overtake in MotoGP.

www.crash.net

Macattack said:

nothing compared to when lorenzo or mm was winning . it was a mm lorenzo walk away session from 2013 to 2019 the margin for victory was way bigger and no one passed anyone for the podium . nearly every race this year the guy in second or third or fourth at lap one ended up winning the race. the guys complaining are running in the back of the pack. 7 different riders have taken a victory this year. that has got to be a record. I'd guess that over 50% of those wins were taken from a less than 4th position at the end of lap one. someone is passing someone. boring is when mm or lorenzo was from pole to finishing the race 12 seconds ahead of the second place guy. I don't know what race you and others are watching, but I'm seeing lots of passing. the announcers keep talking about cooking tires in the draft , but this has always been the case. they just somehow now want to blame this on aerodynamics and wings. if anything I feel like the new areo adds another layer excitement to the sport . I'm thinking this is the closest racing I've seen it almost a decade. the guy in first place is never getting away from the other fast riders and you cannot tell at lap one who is going to take the victory. F1 has zero passing because a car simply cannot go through the turn with another car side by side. motorcycle racing is the opposite we see three bikes at the end of the first turn at lap one on every sunday. at malaysia pecco to pole and finished third and i think there were three different race leaders .

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burton said:

...., I will pay for my MotoGP subscription just so that I can rewatch Assen 2018 whenever I feel like it

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panibadboy said:

Nicely put, fully agree

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craig bush said:

Also…

1. “… seven races into the 2023 season and there’s not been a single overtake for the lead in the last ten laps of any race.”

This is a tire related problem , been a wsbk problem for years. it's related to grip and control tires IMO


2. “… In the four races where there was a winning margin of under a second, there were three overtakes for the lead, total. In fact, after half a season, MotoGP has had only eight overtakes for the lead. One third of the races have had none.”

So this is related to wings How? explain the physics. to me this is what close racing looks like at the end of the race the tires are cooked and the racing line is narrowed

3. “There was a grand total of two overtakes for the lead on Sunday.”

and Enea won his first race of the year , none of the fast points leaders crashed. could that be because this is the closest points race we've seen ever?


4. “We joked after the 2015 Australian Grand Prix that there were more overtakes and lead changes in the 27 laps than the complete Formula One season. It was probably not correct but after commentating on a race that included 52 overtaking manoeuvres and 13 lead changes..”

that was the year Rossi accused Marq of bunching up the race so lorenzo could win the title. they were like bumper cars , and MM had no chance at the title the lack of a freight train was simply related to the title chase.


5. “There were over 100 overtakes across a 26-lap race and seven riders battling for the victory down to the wire.”

And this will never happen again because the bikes have wings- got it

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