Team Alstare added a trellis subframe to the 1199 looking for grip...hmmm
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The bike still looks frame less they changed the subframe I think the problem is the top speed not the handling
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+1 I also thought the issues was lack of top end power.
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Yes still frameless, but the sub frame is supposed to be helping them find grip.Top end may be lacking but i've also read the bike has a tendency to lift the rear a bit under acceleration and making the rear tire struggle with grip even well after corner exit.Who knows for sure but they will hopefully get it sorted out.
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I am guessing the limited Pani could possibly see some fundamental design changes.. I may be wrong but that's the first chance they have of coming up with something different. I don't know if that will have a bearing on weight reduction as I hear that this is about 25 to 30 lbs lighter than the regular Pani lineup..
Have to wait and see..
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Help me out here--how would a trellis subframe help grip other than isolating the bike from the rider?
Perhaps there's something wrong with frameless at the WSBK level, but on the street and at track events, there doesn't seem to be many deficiencies worth worrying about. Not saying the Panigale couldn't be better, but at mere-mortal levels it's hard to fault.
I would like that radiator, though.
Perhaps there's something wrong with frameless at the WSBK level, but on the street and at track events, there doesn't seem to be many deficiencies worth worrying about. Not saying the Panigale couldn't be better, but at mere-mortal levels it's hard to fault.
I would like that radiator, though.
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it depends what is attached to the frame in the hidden spots (front forks?). I remember at uni when we were working for a major Italian manufacturer that stiffer does not mean better...the frame introduces some flexibility that the engine block does not have...
That pic just shows a trellis subframe; no change to the front air box/subframe. The 899 has a trellis rear subframe too. Simply easier and a lot cheaper to move stuff around and make more room for more fuel tank mods with a welded piece like that than an expensive casting like the OEM part. Not a big thing, and certainly nothing to do with affecting grip via more flex like you'd get with a full trellis. Next? ;-)
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According to every pic I've seen, the 899 has the same subframe as the 1199.
Look closer; those are plastic covers that look like the AL subframe of the 1199. Even Ducati say they are using a tubular steel subframe in their marketing materials. Likely helps with heat as well, since your legs don't contact the metal bits that bolt straight to the head.
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Nothing to do with trying to improve grip.That's not the word in the paddock..next expert...
and the forks
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