Termi Full System Up Map R model compatible with S MODEL?

What's the part # on it I have the r up map in front me

NightmareSTi said:

I could be wrong but I feel like it would be a "At your own risk" type thing. Don't ever Rev obviously

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What does this mean "dont ever rev obviously"

zohsix01 said:

What's the part # on it I have the r up map in front me

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We need the part number for the Up Map for the non R full system termi kit to see if the part numbers are the same for the Up Map. Anyone have the part number for the full termi up map?

Danger Close MFG said:

So basically Mark the up maps r the same it's either a slip on map or full system map there no R up map? Only reason I've been asking is there's a good deal on a 1199R full termi kit.

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the up maps are the same unless and i dont know what they are selling there is a special for the r only exhaust. its called the super stock system. you cant have passenger pegs or the fan if it is the super stock. i am not familar with the upmap.

if you go to pro italia and search 1199 termignoni you can see all the directions.

Mark419ny MAY be right, but I have a Tricolore and purchased a full Termi header set and upmap off an R model, and it WILL NOT accept the upload of the Racing Evo program. I have done these uploads many times before, I installed and setup my TuneBoy setup (and I tell you that is in a different universe of difficulty in comparison), and I cannot get the upmap to work on mine. I wish I could, but I concur with a previous posting where he spoke of a different address in the R ECU versus the other versions. This would appear to make perfect sense considering the different mapping, rev limits, etc. the R has unique to it. The other reason could be what my tech told me - he said once they are keyed to a specific bike, the keys will not work on a different ECU. I essence, they "mate" to a specific ECU, and that's it - no other will they recognize. One way or the other, it doesn't work. If you find out for sure otherwise, please post exactly the procedure you accomplished the upload process as it would be greatly appreciated by myself and probably others dealing with this.

I'm not sure if this helps with the understanding part of it at all. When my tech did my Termi up map he handed me the little box with the up map dongle in it and said "Don't lose this, its specific to your bike""¦

I didn't really understand what he meant till I thought about it later and made the association, in my head, to my Superchips engine programmer, it was literally locked to the VIN on my vehicle. I had to deprogram the vehicle to sell the programmer unit. Thats how they keep from one guy in the group buying a programmer and doing everyone's vehicle. It will only work with one vehicle VIN at a time.

Maybe thats similar, or maybe its completely different and I am a football bat.

NOLA

Thanks guys for all the help. I just went with the full termi set that I know works instead of the R kit. Would of saved a few bucks,but in the end if it didn't work I would of had to buy another up map. But thanks for all the replies and Merry Christmas..

the fact remains IMO obviously that if you bought a full system or a header and have the upmap and it doesnt work your stealership has the upmap and should load it for you. its an official ducati aftermarket part. he can see whats on the key. if the map is on the key and can not be downloaded there is something wrong and the tech should take the key so it cant be used again and download the full map to your bike. this probably wont happen but it should. you should also get a key with the base map so if you ever have to take the map off you can have it.

this to me would be basic good customer service but we all know ducati isnt good at that. these keys arent and shouldnt be bike specific. it is and should be single use only. you can look on this forum i have sold upmaps and they have worked fine.

cant believe all the confusion about this.

Interesting stuff, to say the least. The Upmap key locks onto the ECU serial number.
But, none of that matters if it's being tuned.
If ECU is re-flashed, all that is necessary is to figure out which of the three sets of tables is being used.
If the bike has either of the DP systems, you can start with the assumption that the Upmap key has selected the appropriate set. Then, you make a drastic change in one of the tables (usually, one of the Alpha/N tables at lower RPM and low throttle position) flash it, and check if it's correct. You'll see a rich or lean condition (depending on which way you went) at the TP and RPM you made the change, and if you don't, you have to do the same to another Alpha/N table in another set of tables.
Once you've ascertained which set of tables the bike is using, you tune that set of tables. Once that is done, you can copy the tables to all three, sets and the result will be the same no matter which Upmap key is used.

So, for the Akro, it doesn't matter which Upmap has been applied, that set of tables is what you adjust. If other ignition tables are used for (f'rinstance) the Full System tables set, you can copy those tables into the set you are using (assuming that they are even correct for the Full system) and/or do the ignition timing adjustments.

Once you can access the software, the rest of this discussion is academic.

Doug