Termignoni Evolution slip-ons: first road impressions

MarkM1827 said:

So is the exhaust opening at the front of the can now then on termis instead of at the rear

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yep, it's at the front and shoots out sideways

on paper it looks like it would either cook your legs at a stoplight, or make you reek of gasoline after each ride, but if anything, I smell LESS like gas than with full system exhausts that exited at the rear.

It definitely works well.

Well, mine is installed, but I didn't have time to do the filter yet. Hopefully time will allow me to take a quick ride this afternoon and tell you guys how it feels.

The install was dead simple; only took me about 40 minutes and I was lolly gagging. Instructions were decent, if a bit lacking in the Italian-to-English translation department.

Someone earlier asked about the butterfly valve. This install removes the control box and the cables and leaves the valve permanently open, but still in place.

If you are even slightly decent with a screwdriver, the install is a breeze.

Cheers.

Here's mine with the logo:

I like it with the logo

sexparty said:

Would they fit a 2015 Panigale R?

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Yes. It is listed to fit 899, 1199, 1299, and each variation of model, S & R.

Termignoni Ducati Panigale Titanium Slip-On Exhaust 899/1199/1299

80shilling said:

Installing the slip-ons looks easy; I am worried about installing the filter; I am not exactly a delicate flower and I guarantee, I will break something important in there.

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I wouldn't worry about it, it's dead easy. You can always unclip the rear injector, as that connection sticks out the most. And the clips that hold the filter holder in place, once I unlock those, I disconnect them from the frame. So all that's left is the filter, and the frame. when you wiggle it out, push UPWARDS as well. The rubber on the face of the filter will deflect, giving you enough clearance to get that baby out.

80shilling said:

Well, mine is installed, but I didn't have time to do the filter yet. Hopefully time will allow me to take a quick ride this afternoon and tell you guys how it feels.

The install was dead simple; only took me about 40 minutes and I was lolly gagging. Instructions were decent, if a bit lacking in the Italian-to-English translation department.

Someone earlier asked about the butterfly valve. This install removes the control box and the cables and leaves the valve permanently open, but still in place.

If you are even slightly decent with a screwdriver, the install is a breeze.

Cheers.

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Wish I'd seen this prior to trying to install mine this afternoon. Mine came with zero instructions at all, but didn't appear to need any as it looked to be a super easy install. And was until of course I tried to hook up the front mounts, which of course is impossible with the exhaust valve motor and housing in place at the bottom front of the fairing - see attached pics for illustration. Scratched my head a bit and put the stocker back on, figuring it had shipped with a wrong front mount. Guess not! Can likely figure out the control box removal but it would be nice to see the instructions if anyone would be so kind as to scan or photo and send.

another day spent with the 1299 and new exhaust - my Multistrada is giving me very evil looks in the garage

This ride was midday, mainly highways at a fast pace, 95 degrees ambient as reported by the bike, about 50% humidity. VERY sunny without a cloud in the sky. Definitely hot out.

This was the coolest ride I've EVER taken on this bike, regarding heat. I aired my legs out maybe once or twice (instead of once a minute), and never had to readjust my butt in my seat due to it getting too hot. There was some warmth from where my knees were clamping the subframe, but it was just warmth.

I don't know what was different, because I rode the way I always do - a mix of cruising, fast acceleration, etc, and with the very hot weather, it just didn't feel unusually hot, the way it normally does.

Maybe the ECU is adjusting fueling to the increased airflow?

Two annoyances that I expect to disappear with remapping via Tuneboy software:
- cold starts. if I don't blip the throttle, it'll stall in ten seconds. Without blipping the throttle a couple times, it might or might not stall 1-2 times more. But a couple blips and it idles fine.
- WOT roll-ons, starting from 6000-ish RPM, any gear. There's a slight hiccup in the power delivery. Like, it responds instantly, then a split second later, the brief and mild hiccup, then it's off to the races.

These things are fixable. Can't wait to add the cruise control, throttle mapping, and other assorted Tuneboy options. This will be my first bike that I've tuned, without having to tear the bike apart to install a PCV or Bazzaz, so it's pretty exciting

I love this exhaust. For $5000 I'd take this exhaust (with titanium collectors of course), over the factory-endorsed Akrapovic. And it only cost $2k!

Steve B said:

Wish I'd seen this prior to trying to install mine this afternoon. Mine came with zero instructions at all, but didn't appear to need any as it looked to be a super easy install. And was until of course I tried to hook up the front mounts, which of course is impossible with the exhaust valve motor and housing in place at the bottom front of the fairing - see attached pics for illustration. Scratched my head a bit and put the stocker back on, figuring it had shipped with a wrong front mount. Guess not! Can likely figure out the control box removal but it would be nice to see the instructions if anyone would be so kind as to scan or photo and send.

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see my thread about servo box removal. I guess what made my install so easy was that I'd already removed the servo box a week or two ago.

Thanks. So nothing fancy, just yank it all out and no codes to worry about; excellent!

Steve B said:

Thanks. So nothing fancy, just yank it all out and no codes to worry about; excellent!

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no codes indeed! I couldn't believe it myself, until I saw it with my own eyes

My experiences mostly mirror kismetcaptain's, except for mine runs flawlessly with no issues of shutting off and I have no flat spot, just the opposite, mine now runs BETTER than it did, stock.

I took mine out for around 70 miles of running. First, the midrange around 4,000 rpm is stronger and crisper, second, there's extra oomph from 7k rpm all the way up.. I was getting serious power wheelies in 3rd gear, whereas before, I wasn't getting it to this degree.

The whole bike feels better... It revs faster, there's definitely less heat than before, I think the shifting has improved for some weird reason.. Definitely the downshifts seem crisper and faster.. On the up shift it makes a satisfying louder POP than it did before.

I can't say I feel the bike is any lighter, but the bike sure feels freaking fantastic now. Strangely, I don't think it is much louder.. There are some new, nice rumbly harmonics coming from the new cans, but it's not any louder to my ears. I can say that these do sound better and that's a compliment, because the stock cans made it sound great, in the first place.

Generally, I am VERY happy with the way this looks, feels and works.

I think to be honest, any flat spots were largely my imagination, or being way off in what I gear I was in. The slight hiccup is still there, but my riding experience is exactly as you describe.

"Crisp" is definitely a good adjective to describe it.

I think I wanted to avoid overhyping the performance changes until I had something empirical in hand; all too often someone does a mod and then claims it to be the second coming of Jesus. I was pretty sure that my bike had gotten much smoother in power delivery as well as more powerful in general; I'm glad to see that my feelings are independently confirmed!

That oomph from 7-8k-ish...it's a pretty strong oomph.


re: the hiccup. I run DWC at very high settings because, well, I don't like lifting the front much. I think I'll lower it - maybe what I'm feeling is anti-wheelie intervention? 80shilling, what is your DWC set at?

kismetcapitan said:

I think to be honest, any flat spots were largely my imagination, or being way off in what I gear I was in. The slight hiccup is still there, but my riding experience is exactly as you describe.

"Crisp" is definitely a good adjective to describe it.

I think I wanted to avoid overhyping the performance changes until I had something empirical in hand; all too often someone does a mod and then claims it to be the second coming of Jesus. I was pretty sure that my bike had gotten much smoother in power delivery as well as more powerful in general; I'm glad to see that my feelings are independently confirmed!

That oomph from 7-8k-ish...it's a pretty strong oomph.


re: the hiccup. I run DWC at very high settings because, well, I don't like lifting the front much. I think I'll lower it - maybe what I'm feeling is anti-wheelie intervention? 80shilling, what is your DWC set at?

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I am running DWC at 1 or 2 depending on my mood. Today I was at 1.

I really like this exhaust. It looks fantastic, it sounds amazing, but not earsplittingly loud, it has generally woken the bike up, it runs cooler, is definitely more powerful and I have already had some interesting conversations about it being a front exit exhaust.

I will be commuting to work tomorrow, so I will post my thoughts on how it deals with stop-start traffic, how it feels from idle, how it is on part throttle etc.

If you are on the fence about this exhaust, just do it; I have thought about it hard and long and there is just zero downside that I can see, so far.

Cheers.

you'd think that with the front exit exhaust, you'd reek even more of unburnt fuel and unfiltered exhaust emissions. Or at the very least, cook your shins at stoplights. But I don't have that distinctive aroma of uncatalyzed exhaust, the way I did with all previous bikes that exited just behind me. Wherever it's firing its exhaust, it's going nowhere near me

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kismetcapitan said:

no codes indeed! I couldn't believe it myself, until I saw it with my own eyes

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Happily (& surprisedly as well) confirming this. Installed the Termis late this afternoon, this time after removing the exhaust valve control bits (motor, cover and cable). Only a brief installation ride of 20 miles or so after dark and still with the stock filter, but all good. No codes, ran smooth with no issues. Sounds much better than stock to my ears; deeper and throatier. Bit louder, but not too much; I do think you notice the sound a little more on board due to the forward exits. Compared the before/after DB vs the OEM cans with my phone app, and from the side of the bike about 3 ft away at a constant 5,000 rpms the Termis average 2DB more than stock; 98 avg vs 96. Walking around the bike at idle they're about the same as stock, a bit more or less depending on where you are relative to the outlets.

Will have to get the filter in and have a proper ride to say anything of use about effect on power delivery, but all good so far.

EDIT: Added DB Graphs taken from the side at 5,000 RPM. Phone app gives description of typical examples of the measured sound level; ala "quiet room", "normal conversation", etc. Measuring the Termis it came back with "Average Motorcycle". I beg to differ!

kismetcapitan said:

you'd think that with the front exit exhaust, you'd reek even more of unburnt fuel and unfiltered exhaust emissions. Or at the very least, cook your shins at stoplights. But I don't have that distinctive aroma of uncatalyzed exhaust, the way I did with all previous bikes that exited just behind me. Wherever it's firing its exhaust, it's going nowhere near me

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Park it on a dirty surface and give it a few blips. The ensuing dust cloud that envelops you will tell you where it's going. Thinking I can pick up some side cash hiring out as a street cleaner...

I'm wondering if this New Termi has better results than the original model"¦
I have the original full Termi system like many on this forum and am wondering if the new cans offer better performance, different sound.. etc, etc"¦?

Post commute impressions:

Definitely runs cooler; noticeably so. Far less heat coming through the seat and also less from the sides.

Snappier throttle response, definitely more power up top and a nice bump in midrange as I posted prior.

The sound is different and I like it; rumblier, deeper a bit of harshness to it, compared to the softer note of the stock cans.

I can't tell if the shiting, up and down is actually quicker, or just SOUNDS quicker, because the sound of the shift is snappier/faster/quicker/crisper.

The engine seems less "corked".

The Dyno will tell me if I'm correct, or just imagining it. I think I am correct, however. The midrange has definitely filled in and the top end power is better as well.