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elitesoldier357

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Debating on the Akra or Termignoni system. U.S still hasn't released the Akrapovic full exhaust yet. Thinking of buying it from Europe and having it shipped, but not sure how to go about doing so. Plan to have either one installed and then taking it to Rexxer USA to be flashed. If anyone has info on how I can get an Akrapovic system please let me know.
 
I'm going to pick up the Akra once they are available from motomummy.com.
 
Emailed Motomummy, I believe it is still on preorder. Who is the dealer in Europe that distributes the exhaust?
 
The rumor came from an article that referenced Parts Unlimited. I received this email today, guess I have a phone call to make tomorrow:

Thank you for contacting Parts Unlimited.



We do carry the exhaust for the 1199 Panigale, part number 1810-2164. This can be purchased from your local Parts Unlimited dealer who can also quote you the price. To locate the dealer nearest you, please use the dealer locator at Parts Unlimited® | We support the sport ®.



Thank you-



Nate

Parts Unlimited Tech Dept.
 
Termi or Akra?

to me the AKRA seems a dead end street and is missing out on plenty of development..
there is no users base, theres is no racing involvement as they had with the 1198... you'll be buying a a very steep price a development that was early 2012.. and you risk loosing your warranty ..

all this for what gains ?


Ducati itself is already at it's 6th exhaust

Stock
stock / slip ons
open system ( renamed EVO)
open Pro system street R
open Pro System SSTK Corse for the R
open SBK system SBK/SSTK Corse

the EVO delivers good results, even without going beyond it's upmap

the full termi line seems the way to go...

but it looks like you will have something very special as not many pani's will carry the AKRA...

success with the choice...
 
kope999R said:
Termi or Akra?

to me the AKRA seems a dead end street and is missing out on plenty of development..
there is no users base, theres is no racing involvement as they had with the 1198... you'll be buying a a very steep price a development that was early 2012.. and you risk loosing your warranty ..

all this for what gains ?


Ducati itself is already at it's 6th exhaust

Stock
stock / slip ons
open system ( renamed EVO)
open Pro system street R
open Pro System SSTK Corse for the R
open SBK system SBK/SSTK Corse

the EVO delivers good results, even without going beyond it's upmap

the full termi line seems the way to go...

but it looks like you will have something very special as not many pani's will carry the AKRA...

success with the choice...
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Very good points. I would like something with originality, but with the Termignoni full exhaust, tax, and installation at $3700, that is very tempting. I can take it down to VA like I stated earlier to get the flash dyno tune from Rexxer and still keep the bike under warranty and have all this done by next week. I talked to Parts Unlimited and they said that Akra is not supposed to release until the first week of October. No doubt I would be paying for something very original, but seeing as how the Parts Unlimited price alone is $4300 before tax... not sure that it would be worth the wait. Plus installation would probably take longer since they haven't done it before, and then dyno time to tune since they haven't done this one before either. Definitely leaning towards Termi at the moment. What is the best Termignoni exhaust available for the civilian market? I know someone purchased a superstock full Termi exhaust and that didn't turn out so well. Is it just the Slip-on and Full? or is there a step higher? I see there is a "Street R?"
 
kope999R said:
Termi or Akra?

to me the AKRA seems a dead end street and is missing out on plenty of development..
there is no users base, theres is no racing involvement as they had with the 1198... you'll be buying a a very steep price a development that was early 2012.. and you risk loosing your warranty ..

all this for what gains ?


Ducati itself is already at it's 6th exhaust

Stock
stock / slip ons
open system ( renamed EVO)
open Pro system street R
open Pro System SSTK Corse for the R
open SBK system SBK/SSTK Corse

the EVO delivers good results, even without going beyond it's upmap

the full termi line seems the way to go...

but it looks like you will have something very special as not many pani's will carry the AKRA...

success with the choice...
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Ah... I think I figured it out. The Pro System is the exhaust for the R model correct? That is what is installed from factory?
 
Elite - since you have taken my advice long ago and reached out to my friend Dave (Rexxer) he should have told yo uby now that he has a special deal and relationship with Akra to provide all the ECU mapping for these exhausts. Id advise you to contact Dave and ask him how you can obtain one and get the ball rolling on it sooner. Im quite sure he has connections with them since they are tied to the hip on this deal now!

Very happy to see you went this route and picked up their products. Dave and Jason are the only ones who touch my Tri for service issues and maint. You should come down to visit them one day man.
 
for road use: the open DP looks pritty strong as the PRO line only improves on the EVO above 6K and is worse under. in Europe Ducati also states that the Pro line is R only. which here means you loose warranty when you put it on.. i m amazed that in the US you can REXX your ecu's and still keep your warranty.. here you can't

if you still want more ooomphh, make sure you put on the 14/39 or 15/42 sprocket combo.. the best bite 50 usd can buy... :)
 
Gunny Fitz said:
Elite - since you have taken my advice long ago and reached out to my friend Dave (Rexxer) he should have told yo uby now that he has a special deal and relationship with Akra to provide all the ECU mapping for these exhausts. Id advise you to contact Dave and ask him how you can obtain one and get the ball rolling on it sooner. Im quite sure he has connections with them since they are tied to the hip on this deal now!

Very happy to see you went this route and picked up their products. Dave and Jason are the only ones who touch my Tri for service issues and maint. You should come down to visit them one day man.
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I might be down there later this month or early next month Dave. Been wanting to take a road trip anyways! I bought the Termignoni Full exhaust for $3300 out the door. Not too bad. I will have my dealer install it and tune it with the upmap that it comes with just using the diagnostic cable, then ride it to Rexxer to get a better flash tune done. Might throw it on the dyno each time to show the results. Maybe Dave can help with that. Also, check your PM Gunny
 
Stick with the full Termi EVO system and the 41T rear sprocket. Your warranty will have no questions asked and you'll save at least a grand.
 
Alright. I bought the Full Termi, question now is, how much louder (if DB levels are available for those who have tested it) is the fully open Termi without baffles? Also, any power loss or gain in doing so? I imagine there would be a few hp loss going with no baffles, but not sure. Thanks!
 
Termi weld quality sucks. How can people pay so much good money for such an inferior product? I saw Akrapovic in person at Moto GP and ther is no comparison.
 
Robwe92m3 said:
Termi weld quality sucks. How can people pay so much good money for such an inferior product? I saw Akrapovic in person at Moto GP and ther is no comparison.
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you have point ... a friend of ours had his PRO header break clean off at the welds... :(
 
Agreed, the Termi welds are not very pretty, but in reality that has no effect on the performance of the system. It is simply cosmetic. Some set are also better than other. I have welds on my system that look excellent in one spot and lousy in another.

Akra's are a true work of art. I have had them in my R1 and R6's. But for Ducati, I trust what Termignoni has done in terms of design and R&D specifically for their bikes. I wish the welds looked cleaner, but they are plenty solid and the system sounds and performs beyond my expectations.
 
elitesoldier357 said:
Alright. I bought the Full Termi, question now is, how much louder (if DB levels are available for those who have tested it) is the fully open Termi without baffles? Also, any power loss or gain in doing so? I imagine there would be a few hp loss going with no baffles, but not sure. Thanks!
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try it ;)

IMHO the termis were designed to run without baffles.

i think to recall these numbers: stock 105 dB, termi 107 dB, not sure if with or without baffles...

i bet they are quieter than my "cored-mod" :D:D:D
 
The sound is a little louder, but has way more "punch". More bass and more growl. If that make any sense LOL!
 
Did anyone do a test with and without baffles? In performance terms. In theory I think it would run better with them in, but I am not sure. If no one knows I'll make a phone call to Dave at Rexxer, I think he may have the answer.
 
FIrst of all i have akra on fitted since july 5th.

I have a panigale R

Now differences and am a perfectionist!!!!!!

No.1 : Akra looks far more perfectionally designed etc,design,welding huge difference

no.2 : It has provides more power akra provides at 5-6rpm 22 more hp then stock ex

no.3 : It sound far more louder then termignoni tested both not comparable termi is not silent but cannot compare to akra

No.4 akra has totally open exhaust without valves or anything

no.5 : overall power is few hp more then termi didnt look how much lets say 3-4hp

no.6 : price is 4200e

no.7 : it did not damage or do anything to my ducati it works great i can feel the bike breathe really flexible what ever.

no.8 : imy self if termi had any advantage i would take it esspecially sound looks and all akra is superior in hp not noticable difference but all else akra far beyond
 

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