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SBK, Ducati after the GP, revolution in SBK?
Monday, 18 May 2015 09:19 by Luca Semprini - SBK

Ducati GP after the revolution in SBK? - GPOne.com
Every war is fought on several fronts and, in the case of motorcycle racing, not only geographically but also in terms of time, between the present and the future. In other words, the performance is never a point of arrival, as a concept constantly redefined by technological development. Ducati is no exception, which last week held three days of testing behind closed doors at Mugello. In addition to the official drivers and test drivers of the MotoGP project, he was on track testing SBK team, with Luca Scassa to try for the first time the Panigale in the configuration in which runs the World derived series.

SBK, DEVELOPMENT 360 º - The evidence, of course, were covered by the strictest secrecy. Yet, despite the roar of the engines, you can often pick up some interesting voice. In this regard, it seems to have been proven an embryonic version of electronics 2016, with encouraging results.

"I have a pain in the neck, arms, shoulders, and legs - said the test Scassa after the tests - The tests went well, we tried many changes that I had never experienced. It was all new to me, but I found myself very well with the team, are brilliant and it was easy to work with them . The times were not our goal, but I have lowered my personal record of seven years ago (1'52.7, author's note), because otherwise it was better that I stopped (laughs). "

Continues the work of aging of cycling. According to sources inside the team, earlier in the season the bike was raised and lengthened considerably - there are rumors of a swing arm 20 to 25mm longer than the previous one, half a revolution at this level - and open as steering angle to facilitate the transfer load. We recall, in this regard, that the new electronics developed under Regulation 2015 (price-cap by eight thousand euro) is located under the tank cover, and as a result a portion of the fuel has been moved back, creating some problems initially of handling.

THE TWO FACES OF 1199 - The Panigale Superbike, after two years in ascent, is growing fast . But if the rules of the class, as more and more restrictive, still leaves a good margin for action on the different bikes, the same can not be said for STK1000, where Aprilia is the undisputed ruler to date (with Savadori) while Panigale the playing on equal terms with BMW and Yamaha. The recovery by the competition is being felt even in national championships, where regulations are more similar to the stock. CIV, the team Barni is still helped by direct contact with Michelin but, for example, in the IDM (where Forés is defending champion) team suffered 3C growth of BMW and Yamaha in the first two rounds.

In this regard, we talk about a completely new project in the pipeline for 2017 that would send retired the Panigale. In some ways, business as usual in the racing world, where the turnover is dictated by both competitive and commercial needs , although it is worth mentioning that the 1098 (in its various iterations) raced well as long (six years). If the Panigale, however, the commercial success has coincided with that of sport (a victory in two and a half years). The project is finally paying off, but development costs were higher than expected and, unless they are made ​​other concessions to the bi-cylindrical - take for instance an increase in displacement - will be increasingly difficult to "squeeze "the 1199. As a result, the" revolution "that hit (with undoubtedly positive results) MotoGP project, could be followed by a second movement in SBK. To a question on the subject, last weekend, "Gigi" Dall'Igna replied: "Ducati is historically motorcycle bi-cylindrical. In the future, who knows, " ending the sentence with a laugh. Sometimes, joking, it tells the truth ...

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SBK, Ducati: dopo la GP, rivoluzione in SBK?
 
Everyone figured 2016/2017 to be the next big generation of the Ducati Superbike lineup. Cant wait to see!
 
I hope not, they just need to go back to the original formula, twins get an extra 250cc, the 4 cylinder machines are set at 1058cc, so let the 1299 Duc's loose.
 
Well.

They can keep the 1299 or whatever will be the next VTwin will be to stay true to the brand, and race the R with a V4 :)
 
Yes, I have been saying for some time a new Superbike is not too far away.

This time probably with fins on the fairing, like the 1199 had winglets for aerodynamics.
 
I know I'm going to get flamed for this but,,,,

Why does everyone seem to blame the bike?

are we saying that chaz Davies is in the same category as

Carl Fogerty ?

Troy baylis ?

Checa?

IMO sykes is a champion and would win on any of the bike mfgrs He is friggin fast.
 
I know I'm going to get flamed for this but,,,,

Why does everyone seem to blame the bike?

are we saying that chaz Davies is in the same category as

Carl Fogerty ?

Troy baylis ?

Checa?

IMO sykes is a champion and would win on any of the bike mfgrs He is friggin fast.


I tend to agree. If Rossi were on the GP15, I am betting he would have one more than 1 race so far...
 
A Desmodronic V4 or a pneumatic valve operated V4? Don't know enough to know if pneumatic valves are viable for a streetbike but I imagine cost / complexity would be inhibitive?
 
Who knows what's next, maybe a 1000cc v4 with a monocoque chassis.... Tbag would be cool.... Awhile back I remeber reading an article talking about one if the advantages the inline 4 and aprilia had in WSBK was that they could run on two cylinders at certain parts of the track to help with fuel and power delivery.... Maybe the V4 is in the future....
 
Well the writing is on the wall. One of 2 two things needs to happen. Bigger displacement, or a new design, i.e., a V4 or layout. Its obvious in watching that the Panigale, and awesome bike, is embattled at the highest levels of racing and starting to come under real pressure at national and regional levels.

I think it will still it will be awesome at the mortal level which is where 99% of bike riders live.

Now my dream....... A frameless V4 Panigale, SS swing arm, that revs to 14k !!!! come on 2017!!
 
A Desmodronic V4 or a pneumatic valve operated V4? Don't know enough to know if pneumatic valves are viable for a streetbike but I imagine cost / complexity would be inhibitive?

Pneumatics aren't viable for streetbikes; besides, you don't need them with a Desmodromic valvetrain. Ducati don't even use pneumatics in GP.

I think a V4 is likely; just doesn't make sense to spend all that money in MotoGP on something with no tie-in to the sportbikes they sell, and in SBK it's been apparent for a while the twins are at their limit with the current displacement rules. Seem to recall a statement from Domenicali at the 1299 launch that the 1299 was the final version of the "project".
 
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I think the death of the V twin in racing will ultimately be revs. Unless they discover unobtanium, at some point you can't spin two 599cc jugs any faster without things coming apart. Making the engine larger is just going to make it worse.
 
You'll know Audi is out to kill the brand when Ducati produces a 4-cyl.

If the next ones a 4cyl, Ducati will have gotten their last sport dollar from me.
 
I think it is inevitable that will see a new bike in the Ducati lineup. I thought that when I bought my 1299 and it does not surprise me to read it here. Harley doesn't resisted air cooling in their V twins for a long time. But it is just a natural evolution. I think it is the same thing here. Ducati is based on a racing heritage and that means that the motor must evolve. While I think that the majority of their lineup will stay a twin cylinder engine, their supervisor going to have to go to a V4 or even in line for configuration. However, that does not change the nature of this beast. The bike will still have the soul of its Italian heritage and continue to be great.
 
frameless?! why? we all know how well that worked out in racing at its highest level.
 

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