Thinking about buying this Salvage 899....any thoughts?

svldvc · Jun 20, 2015

Hi guys,
I've just sold my 999s and want to try out a Panigale.
Well, I dont have the money to buy a clean one at this time, so I'm looking into a rebuilding a Salvage one.

But wanted to ask for help from the 899 owners who actually KNOW these bikes and would be able to spot the damages for me.

Here's the one that I have eyes on:

DUCA 899 PANIGA

Does this look like a minor cosmetic damage (plastics, clip-ons, pegs) or is it hard enough that can damage the engine etc..

Many thanks in advance.

Indiana Jones · Jun 20, 2015

What's the price? It's a good deal for 2,000, but a bad deal 12,000

lamb00j · Jun 20, 2015

It depends what you want to pay for a salvaged titled bike.

I had an option to buy a salvaged 2012 1199 base for 4800 (first dibs from insurance)
I would need a new slip on (termis dented), full fairings, windscreen, clip on, fork, rear sets.

With the price of what I would have into the bike all said and done (8k) I didn't think it would be worth it for a salvaged titled bike.

Indiana Jones · Jun 20, 2015

I think buying new is the right way to do it...between low interest rates, warranty...etc. it makes sense. Unfortunately goes against my better judgment too.

svldvc · Jun 20, 2015

Indiana Jones said:
What's the price? It's a good deal for 2,000, but a bad deal 12,000

It will be on an auction...I don't know how much it will go for...but if the damage is minimal (cosmetic) then I'll have a more clean price in my head what to pay for it...but it most definitely will NOT go for $2k..LOL...

This 1199 Pani already has bids up to: $6700...that's before auction...who knows how much it will go for.

2013 DUCATI 1199 PANIG - Copart

I do my own bodywork and paint so I'll save some money there....just parts is what it will cost me.

DynastySS · Jun 20, 2015

I bought my 899 bike after endoing it for $3k.

BTrain5489 · Jun 20, 2015

svldvc said:
It will be on an auction...I don't know how much it will go for...but if the damage is minimal (cosmetic) then I'll have a more clean price in my head what to pay for it...but it most definitely will NOT go for $2k..LOL...

This 1199 Pani already has bids up to: $6700...that's before auction...who knows how much it will go for.

2013 DUCATI 1199 PANIG - Copart

I do my own bodywork and paint so I'll save some money there....just parts is what it will cost me.

Street bike or track bike?

For a track bike that might be a reasonable pickup. 10k isn't a scary repair estimate for a crashed Panigale. You'd hit that number for plastic and scratches on the wheels, exhaust, and swingarm alone.

lamb00j · Jun 20, 2015

BTrain5489 said:
Street bike or track bike?

For a track bike that might be a reasonable pickup. 10k isn't a scary repair estimate for a crashed Panigale. You'd hit that number for plastic and scratches on the wheels, exhaust, and swingarm alone.

That's correct... So keep this is mind. If you think you steal it for 5k then drop 8-10k into it... You are 13-15k into the bike and at that price you can get a used, with warranty, clean title 1199.

If it's track and a second bike, then you just drop a few grand to get it prepped (and you don't care if it's scratched or dinged) and you have a great track bike

svldvc · Jun 20, 2015

BTrain5489 said:
Street bike or track bike?

For a track bike that might be a reasonable pickup. 10k isn't a scary repair estimate for a crashed Panigale. You'd hit that number for plastic and scratches on the wheels, exhaust, and swingarm alone.

Thanks guys for the replies.
Yeah forgot to mention, it will be my daily rider to and from work.

Buliwyf · Jun 20, 2015

If the swing arm, front stock, or engine is tweaked, it's worthless as a bike.

Good only for parts, like the engine. If the front head stock is straight, it's ok. It's impossible to tell sometimes. And you end up with a hopelessly twitchy bike. 2mm makes a difference.

So the big question is: Can the heads stock frame be deformed in a crash without being obviously cracked or bent?

Since they're still way too expensive, $4500, I'm not interested in salvages, until I need a whole engine, or want an R engine.

DynastySS · Jun 20, 2015

Buliwyf said:
If the swing arm, front stock, or engine is tweaked, it's worthless as a bike.

Good only for parts, like the engine. If the front head stock is straight, it's ok. It's impossible to tell sometimes. And you end up with a hopelessly twitchy bike. 2mm makes a difference.

So the big question is: Can the heads stock frame be deformed in a crash without being obviously cracked or bent?

Since they're still way too expensive, $4500, I'm not interested in salvages, until I need a whole engine, or want an R engine.

The head stock is a ridiculously strong casting. I endo'd mine a month ago and had it laser-checked for straightness. Thing was in perfect tolerance all around.

Guy was telling me you would need some next level force to hurt that casting.

svldvc · Jun 21, 2015

lamb00j said:
That's correct... So keep this is mind. If you think you steal it for 5k then drop 8-10k into it... You are 13-15k into the bike and at that price you can get a used, with warranty, clean title 1199.

Where do you get your prices from? $8k or 10k??

I looked up all sorts of parts on forums and Ebay and most of them are around $200+ range.

For $8K i can probably buy another Ducati on auction and use it for parts LOL...

I'm not planning on buying parts from dealer.
OEM, yes! But not from a dealer.

svldvc · Jun 21, 2015

Anyways...back to the damage.

Studying the pictures, if you look at the rear-sets on the left side...they are bent forward.
Which give an explanation that this bike was sliding on the ground with the rear tire forward. Is this better...or worse than having front fork damage....?

Anything else you guys can notice or point out?

lamb00j · Jun 21, 2015

svldvc said:
Where do you get your prices from? $8k or 10k??

I looked up all sorts of parts on forums and Ebay and most of them are around $200+ range.

For $8K i can probably buy another Ducati on auction and use it for parts LOL...

I'm not planning on buying parts from dealer.
OEM, yes! But not from a dealer.

I understand your logic. You want this for a street bike. Ducati isn't a Yamaha or a Honda where parts are just cheap for the sake of being cheap. That's all I am saying. If the Fairings are broke and you need a new set, you will spend close to a grand. Headlight blown, another few hundred, mirrors, few hundred, sub frame, few hundred, forks and seals, maybe a grand, clip ons, few hundred, windscreen, hundred, rear sets, grand, exhaust (termi or factory) 100 - 1000, swing arm few hundred to a grand. Rims few hundred etc etc

If you are buying the bike unseen there are a lot of things you can't see. All I am saying is don't be shocked to put 8-10k into this bike to restore it back to a factory setting. I had a friend low side his bike doing maybe 25-30. Bike was totaled out with 14k damage done to it.. When you look it didn't look like anything was really wrong with it, get closer and remove fairings etc, it was more noticed

I think if you think the bike if going to cost you 8k fixed up (cost of bike, labor and parts included to get it back to good) then it's not worth it for a savaged title. Just want you to look at it all.

imbloodyskintagain · Jun 21, 2015

I just missed out on a light scuffed panel damaged 2012 1199 Tri on ebay for $10k obo.
It sold before I could get a price to ship back to uk and arrange usa buddy to pickup and pay for it on my behalf.

Plan was to offer the seller $9k for it.

Only thing I didn't know how to do or check, was how do you find out its not still on finance or been through insurance claim?(Seller said it had clear title.)

svldvc · Jun 21, 2015

imbloodyskintagain said:
I just missed out on a light scuffed panel damaged 2012 1199 Tri on ebay for $10k obo.
It sold before I could get a price to ship back to uk and arrange usa buddy to pickup and pay for it on my behalf.

Plan was to offer the seller $9k for it.

Only thing I didn't know how to do or check, was how do you find out its not still on finance or been through insurance claim?(Seller said it had clear title.)

Wow...that's a heck of a deal..
Starting to be very curious how much this one will go for...and how much room will it give me for repairs...or maybe not worth it altogether.

Macattack · Jun 21, 2015

Ive tried to buy bikes like this for track bikes.

I only found one that was not a scam and it was in a local mag.

most of these "auctions" seem to be run by crazy people, scammers , or the people bidding on the bikes are HIGH as a kite .

and yes people pay 9k for a badly wrecked/salvage 899 when you could buy a brand new one that costs 14k.

because people are really that stupid.

RRnold · Jun 21, 2015

It would be a tough call unless you can fully inspect the bike up close since most of the parts are mounted to the engine. I would say $1200 max is what I would buy it for.

For a track bike, it would be a more realistic build since aftermarket parts can be cheaper than a OEM. Keep in mind that some OEM parts can take forever to get too.

Another thing to consider is how reliable is Copart and to make sure you have done your homework. The CEO's huge 22 million estate is here in Napa and I found a car in SoCal's Copart that I was interested but something seemed too good to be true so I didn't bite.

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shakazulu12 · Jun 21, 2015

Copart has a ton of fee's and rarely do you get to inspect the unit prior to bidding. I've almost never seen a bike go through at what I would consider a decent buy. In the final minutes of the auction, someone always seems to massively overpay. Keep watching and you will see it relisted a few times before actually ever selling.

Chaotic · Jun 22, 2015

Lots of people buy salvaged bikes to turn them into race bikes. With the costs of fairings, headlights and shop labor, even just a lowside can "total" a bike as far as the insurance is concerned because insurance companies consider what it would cost to get the bike back to like-new condition.

I would get it, strip all that busted .... off, put some track plastics on it and run it.

But for a street bike, no way. You will have a REALLY hard time reselling a salvaged titled bike. It doesn't matter what you have changed/repaired or how good of an explanation you have, when people see "salvaged" they turn and run.

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