Threw a rod! (part 2)

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VAST said:
i am well aware of that....it's all devolved into another pathetic thread, again...and the capitulation proves principle is not the vital deciding factor here, but, alas, instant gratification is...
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instant gratification certainly plays a role in my decision, yes.
 
There are two sides to every story people. You can twist things until your heart is content. Facts are facts, and I don't think anyone on this board knows them all including Art.

I commend Art for doing the right thing.

Thrashing a dealer who is caught in the middle is not kewl.

Hopefully in the end it works out best for Art, and the claim is re-evaluated.
 
reganc said:
I'm not sure why you find this so hard to understand but

You are not covered for any official timed event as this is classified as racing you running your owned stopwatch is not official

This means that track days are covered under warranty as you are not racing nor is it a timed event.

I'm not sure why you are referencing a dyno as it's used for tuning
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i think he means a dyno is WOT all the way to rev-limiter usually many times back to back...so how is that different from WOT in the 1/4 as far as the engine is concerned. i get what you're saying but i think that is what he means by this post.
 
SOULRIDER said:
There are two sides to every story people. You can twist things until your heart is content. Facts are facts, and I don't think anyone on this board knows them all including Art.

I commend Art for doing the right thing.

Thrashing a dealer who is caught in the middle is not kewl.

Hopefully in the end it works out best for Art, and the claim is re-evaluated.
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the right thing for one is the wrong thing for another, in this case. objectively speaking is wholly another "thing". the wishy-washy nature of this debacle certainly doesn't lend overall credibility...

i can only speak for myself, but when/if i submit a claim i come correct and am 100% up-front and if i don't know, then i state that as well...unsure if this is the case here and it doesn't really matter at this point as instant gratification is the deciding factor here, clearly...the right "thing" for the wrong reasons, or vice-versa.....njoy people....
 
SOULRIDER said:
There are two sides to every story people. You can twist things until your heart is content. Facts are facts, and I don't think anyone on this board knows them all including Art.

I commend Art for doing the right thing.

Thrashing a dealer who is caught in the middle is not kewl.

Hopefully in the end it works out best for Art, and the claim is re-evaluated.
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thanks Soulrider. as stated before, the motor is going to come apart at some point no matter what barring a complete engine swap so why not go ahead and get the process moving? to go the legal route will require the engine to be looked at regardless to determine the actual cause of failure, and if they drag it out and eventually say its my fault anyway, then im right where i will be in a few days/few weeks by having Sebastian tear it down anyway. i don't have to pay for it until its done i don't believe. either way i know its not Sebastian's fault, and he knows that i know this. but with no evidence of what actually happened im dead in the water. if by some chance i get lucky and the motor didn't self destruct (still starts up which is weird) then i may get out of the situation for a few G's. fingers certainly crossed hoping that's the case.
 
Art let me ask you this?

Has Sebastian not ever been available to you no matter the time?

I know I've sent him messages on a Sunday, and received phone calls back.

Your doing the right thing. Let Seb get in there, and do his magic. You know he will go to bat for you.
 
azimmerlyjr said:
its not difficult to comprehend. I understand the verbiage used protects them. but did the engine not undergo the same stress in the timed quarter mile done by magazines as if you or I did the quarter mile? ive never entered any competition. only gone down the 1/8 track a few times on ONE evening. its a little local track and that night was a "test and tune" night, not a race night with any places or rankings given. but it really doesn't matter i "comprehend" the issue just fine. its just ...... that Ducati boasts its new fast bike and quick quarter miles times/lap times etc etc but nobody else is allowed to do what they do whilst still retaining their warranty.
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You misunderstand the nature of warranties. They don't exist until title is transferred.
All those loaner bikes? They still belong to Ducati. When they're finally sold/given away/whatever, Ducati can write whatever warranty they want for them.
And it takes willful ignorance to take what Ducati claims in terms of performance and "quick quarter miles times/lap times" and extrapolate that to being part of the implied warranty.
And if truth be known, I suspect that a 1/8 mile run by itself isn't the entire issue. Rods rarely break on their own volition. I'm guessing there's issues of "..abuse, and neglect" (per warranty agreement).
 
Charliem90 said:
You misunderstand the nature of warranties. They don't exist until title is transferred.
All those loaner bikes? They still belong to Ducati. When they're finally sold/given away/whatever, Ducati can write whatever warranty they want for them.
And it takes willful ignorance to take what Ducati claims in terms of performance and "quick quarter miles times/lap times" and extrapolate that to being part of the implied warranty.
And if truth be known, I suspect that a 1/8 mile run by itself isn't the entire issue. Rods rarely break on their own volition. I'm guessing there's issues of "..abuse, and neglect" (per warranty agreement).
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i suppose time will tell wont it? lol
 
SOULRIDER said:
Art let me ask you this?

Has Sebastian not ever been available to you no matter the time?

I know I've sent him messages on a Sunday, and received phone calls back.

Your doing the right thing. Let Seb get in there, and do his magic. You know he will go to bat for you.
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when this happened it was late at night. probably around 11pm. i called and he answered and he was clearly woken up by my call. he still answered and had questions and advice. eventually i had it towed but he still answered at 11pm on a sunday.
 
Hopefully he finds something.

A dyno is not a racetrack no matter how much the flatbillers think it is. The hp numbers it spits out are the least important number. There is no shifting on the dyno, and it's not a competition.

-If your bike falls off the dyno, that's not covered.
-If your bike is not strapped down proper, to the dyno, and spins it's tire over redline and blowsup, that's not covered.
- if you enter some queer flatbiller dyno competition, yeah, that going to void your warranty.

A track day with a stop watch is cool. Drag strip is racing.


Also, keep in mind, advertisements aren't warranties. Just because the bike is made for racing, doesn't mean that's covered. No race engine comes with a warranty. As soon as you say racing (or stunting) it's over.
 
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Buliwyf said:
A track day with a stop watch is cool. Drag strip is racing.
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Do you believe making noncompetitive 1/8 mile runs on a drag strip has any harsher effect on a bike than, say, repeatedly running WOT down the 3/4 mile main straight at a COTA track day event? Further, if both scenarios take place outside of an organized competition with no prize to be won, how does the presence of a time box vs. stop watch imply any difference in the rider’s intentions and/or treatment of his or her bike?
 
There is no stopping this thread, it has a mind of its own :) DNA may know something we don't, and there is no clause in their warranty that they have to tell you why. Also, this is the first rod failure I have heard of, so entirely possible it was over-revved, and DNA knows that.

A buddy over revved his X5 may years ago when they had a manual transmission option, and BMW made him pay for the new engine. Warranty's are not there to cover being an ass, just defects in manufacturing.

I don't think anyone here is surprised DNA is not returning your calls, they have told you all they are going to, you just haven't figured that out yet.
 
Trauma said:
There is no stopping this thread, it has a mind of its own :) DNA may know something we don't, and there is no clause in their warranty that they have to tell you why. Also, this is the first rod failure I have heard of, so entirely possible it was over-revved, and DNA knows that.

A buddy over revved his X5 may years ago when they had a manual transmission option, and BMW made him pay for the new engine. Warranty's are not there to cover being an ass, just defects in manufacturing.

I don't think anyone here is surprised DNA is not returning your calls, they have told you all they are going to, you just haven't figured that out yet.
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If a warrantee claim is refused common sense (and common law probably), as well as common courtesy, professionalism and good public relations would necessitate the reason for refusal to be disclosed (in writing if requested). Anything less tends to suggest that they have something to hide. A manufacturer of dealer for that matter that does not heed the above do not deserve to be in existence and should be closed down post haste. Just my two cents. :eek:
 
Guys we really dont know whats wrong with the bike.

It might not be as bad as we think. Can a bike start with a thrown rod?

Could be like a penny in a vacuum cleaner. Sounds worse then it is. I hope so for arts sake.
 
Claymore said:
If a warrantee claim is refused common sense (and common law probably), as well as common courtesy, professionalism and good public relations would necessitate the reason for refusal to be disclosed (in writing if requested). Anything less tends to suggest that they have something to hide. A manufacturer of dealer for that matter that does not heed the above do not deserve to be in existence and should be closed down post haste. Just my two cents. :eek:
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exactly. lets say they have videos of burnouts, racing, and wheelies and they are denying my claim, and I am requesting to see why...just show me and I will put my tail between my legs and walk away. it seems it would be much easier to do that then deal with excessive phone calls and emails.
 
stanmart said:
Guys we really dont know whats wrong with the bike.

It might not be as bad as we think. Can a bike start with a thrown rod?

Could be like a penny in a vacuum cleaner. Sounds worse then it is. I hope so for arts sake.
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I had that same question...the bike will still start but the noise is really bad and definitely a metal to metal heavy clank consistent with rpms.
 
Duck41 said:
Do you believe making noncompetitive 1/8 mile runs on a drag strip has any harsher effect on a bike than, say, repeatedly running WOT down the 3/4 mile main straight at a COTA track day event? Further, if both scenarios take place outside of an organized competition with no prize to be won, how does the presence of a time box vs. stop watch imply any difference in the rider's intentions and/or treatment of his or her bike?
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that's what I was trying to say but you just said it much better lol...if im on a track...screw a stop watch it doesn't mean im riding different. only that I will see a time clock after im done riding lol.
 
azimmerlyjr said:
I had that same question...the bike will still start but the noise is really bad and definitely a metal to metal heavy clank consistent with rpms.
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Art if it didnt take out the cases its probably not a bad fix. Keep your fingers crossed. Problem is when stuff starts clanking around in there it can scar stuff. Hopefully its nothing crazy. It didnt go thru the outside of the engine so your good there. Seen that before. Rod thru the engine case into someones leg!

No Bueno!
 

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