Threw a rod! (part 2)

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Duck41 said:
Do you believe making noncompetitive 1/8 mile runs on a drag strip has any harsher effect on a bike than, say, repeatedly running WOT down the 3/4 mile main straight at a COTA track day event? Further, if both scenarios take place outside of an organized competition with no prize to be won, how does the presence of a time box vs. stop watch imply any difference in the rider's intentions and/or treatment of his or her bike?
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Ya, ever look at a drag strip launch pad ?
Rubber tire to rubber Tarmac, the launch of that bike at the drags is a lot harder on the bike than running through the gears down a 3/4 mile long straight.
When I bought my panigale from the dealer, I tracked (road course)it about a dozen times the first summer, brought it in for a few little repairs under warranty.
The comment to me was if that bike is ever raced the warranty is done.
Pretty simple I think.
Good luck
 
If the tensioner failed, or if the cam chain has a floppy link, it can rattle HARD against the case.

Might be a cheap fix.
 
azimmerlyjr said:
I had that same question...the bike will still start but the noise is really bad and definitely a metal to metal heavy clank consistent with rpms.
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If you started it even once after you heard the noise (sounds like you did), or ran it for even one second after you heard the first noise, definitely a reason not to cover it.
 
azimmerlyjr said:
completely unrelated to bikes but related to warranty work...my father has a 52' Bertram. just a few years old, purchased new. perfectly maintained with 600 hours on the twin Mans with a 3,000 hour warranty. the engine grenade (at 600 hours under normal operating conditions). Mans said it wasn't serviced right. his Mans master tech proved them wrong. didn't matter. they wouldn't cover it. $65,000 to replace the engine. difference is, insurance covered $55k and then sued Mans and won. Dad was out $10k but still...its amazing...$1,000,000 you spend on a ...... boat, and they wanna .... you still...guess I better get used to it and protect myself.
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MTU are no different.
They'll wipe you like a ...... rag if they get the chance.
They always looking to minimize their warranty exposure.
If vun little sing is out off order, zen sie varranty is void or reduced to a lower level off coverage.

I've said it before on this forum.
The Germans are like that a lot with warranty claims.
 
azimmerlyjr said:
exactly. lets say they have videos of burnouts, racing, and wheelies and they are denying my claim, and I am requesting to see why...just show me and I will put my tail between my legs and walk away. it seems it would be much easier to do that then deal with excessive phone calls and emails.
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The litigious nature of our legal system is dictating their actions. Like it or not, they don't want to set a precedent and they are hooping to outlast you. They know they they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. And in legal terms, the more you say, the more you pay so they are not saying anything.

I don't blame you for feeling the way you do, but working on a positive outcome requires that you understand their side. I know you already regret going public on the form, but you would probably have had a better shot with them if they could have quietly done a goodwill warranty claim. But now they know that the whole forum is watching what they do and it would become an expected outcome for others who have questionable claims.
 
azimmerlyjr said:
I realize its hard to sympathize due to the fact that most people with affluent fathers, the father would hop right in with a few G's and take care of this for them. but my father is very principled and he warned me just like some people on here that if I bought an Italian exotic, it would likely break down, and he would not be there to help with any repairs as I he knows I was overextending myself based on my salary. he knows my salary because I work for one of his companies lol...he signs the checks so to speak. he worked is way from 25 years old having one truck to owning a company that has 2000 and does 100M a year in gross revenue. he understands the value of teaching me how to work hard and accept responsibility for my actions and that is exactly what is happening right now. he said "well if the bike has to sit for a year while you save then it has to sit...sorry"...I am not asking for any sympathy...I didn't even resurrect this thread...to speak in platitudes, it is what it is. im dealing with it the best I can.
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It sounds like your Dad knows the cost of a dollar, and the value of a dollar.
You'll do well in this life if you can manage to soak some of that stuff up he's dishing up for you.
The rest you'll have to learn the hard way:confused:
Remember, one day you need to know how to handle things effectively in order to pass it on to your own kids.

Sometimes, one has the luxury of having the opportunity to pick one's battles.
Also, sometimes in life it doesn't pay to ask for more;)
I think this may well be one of those opportunities:(
 
azimmerlyjr said:
I just made this decision about 30 minutes ago: I will have Sebastian tear down the motor ($617) and diagnose the cause of failure. if its a bearing that is scored and clearly something from abuse (doubt it) then I will go from there. if its clearly something that shouldn't have happened we will go back to DNA with the findings. hopefully if the latter is the case, then Sebastian will go to bat for me and push DNA to cover. we will see. but not moving in any direction anytime soon is driving me insane. I have to get something going.
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Sounds good:)
Now you're taking the bull by the horns a bit;)
 
reganc said:
I'm not sure why you find this so hard to understand but

You are not covered for any official timed event as this is classified as racing you running your owned stopwatch is not official

This means that track days are covered under warranty as you are not racing nor is it a timed event.

I'm not sure why you are referencing a dyno as it's used for tuning
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Some people also use the dyno to run their bike in early;)
 
Tom yfz said:
Ya, ever look at a drag strip launch pad ?
Rubber tire to rubber Tarmac, the launch of that bike at the drags is a lot harder on the bike than running through the gears down a 3/4 mile long straight.
When I bought my panigale from the dealer, I tracked (road course)it about a dozen times the first summer, brought it in for a few little repairs under warranty.
The comment to me was if that bike is ever raced the warranty is done.
Pretty simple I think.
Good luck
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It's really only harder on the drive line when you go from a standing start at a drag strip.
 
So, on another thread, it was suggested that you can reset your fuel mapping to stock by disconnecting your battery and if your ECU loses power, then you have to take your key along with you to a dealer to unlock the race maps again.

If the memory in the ECU is so sensitive to power loss and since there is speculation that it records your behavior and treatment of the bike, perhaps you should disconnect the battery before you seek out warranty work?

Certainly not...???

http://ducati1199.com/ducati-1199/18789-removing-termignoni-slip-ons-2.html#post168542
 
jjsC6 said:
There is an old adage. Drag racing breaks things, road racing wears things out.
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drag racing last all of 10 second per run. My friend has raced both his 1199S and S1000RR, in full seasons of drag racing plus week day fun events with no issue with either bike.

If you not being silly and just doing it for fun your less likely to break things compare to track days. As there is a higher risk of dropping your bike on a track day then at the drag strip
 
Hey gen4 ninja motor on ebay almost as much as panigale. 4199.00

4799 not bad for a panigale engine. Good bargain actually.
 
Sinjin said:
So, on another thread, it was suggested that you can reset your fuel mapping to stock by disconnecting your battery and if your ECU loses power, then you have to take your key along with you to a dealer to unlock the race maps again.

If the memory in the ECU is so sensitive to power loss and since there is speculation that it records your behavior and treatment of the bike, perhaps you should disconnect the battery before you seek out warranty work?

Certainly not...???

http://ducati1199.com/ducati-1199/18789-removing-termignoni-slip-ons-2.html#post168542
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Interesting point. Although, if that is the case regarding the ECU's stored data, it may have the adverse effect of working against you more than for you. Since the necessary data required to make a full and accurate warranty assessment wouldn't be available, it is possible Ducati could deny based solely on "physical evidence" of neglect, misuse, or abuse. If a bike has been undoubtedly mistreated then there is probably little to risk with trying, but for legitimate warranty concerns, it could backfire.
 
Duck41 said:
Interesting point. Although, if that is the case regarding the ECU's stored data, it may have the adverse effect of working against you more than for you. Since the necessary data required to make a full and accurate warranty assessment wouldn't be available, it is possible Ducati could deny based solely on "physical evidence" of neglect, misuse, or abuse. If a bike has been undoubtedly mistreated then there is probably little to risk with trying, but for legitimate warranty concerns, it could backfire.
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I'd be surprised if memory is wiped on a power interrupt. More likely it has a default mode that it reboots to. In this case power interrupt functions as a system reset. Standard microcontroller design practice.
If they are gathering operating parameters/data (i.e. black box type of function), it's probably being written in flash at some set frequency and will be there even if power/reset is cycled.
 
Charliem90 said:
I'd be surprised if memory is wiped on a power interrupt. More likely it has a default mode that it reboots to. In this case power interrupt functions as a system reset. Standard microcontroller design practice.
If they are gathering operating parameters/data (i.e. black box type of function), it's probably being written in flash at some set frequency and will be there even if power/reset is cycled.
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This is what I suspect would happen as well. At most, any performance data gathered between the last automatic backup to the point of power loss would be compromised; but without knowing the frequency with which this occurs, there's no way to determine how useful an intentional power down of the ECU would be.
 

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