tuning help-guidance

hi all

i wish to ask if its possible to tune the panigale.
there are so many products - PC5 bazzaz rapidbike
flashes - tuneboy bikeboy etc...

list goes on but with panigale being so tech
considering of buying the akra system. im trying to searching some answers.

i dont believe flashes will be accurate as even with tuneboy they release maps that may not suit your mods.

so leaves me to ECU piggy.
looking up PC5 they dont have a system that match the panigale nor bazzaz or rapidbike.

so is it better to just get termi? save the time and issues by just geting full termi?

IDK where you're looking... but bazzaz and dynojet make products for the Pani. The Termi upmap isn't perfect, it's off the shelf. I'm debating getting the bazzaz as well.

sorry trans

what i meant was that they do make products for the panigale.
but there is still issues with the kit i believe.
PC5 says it cant bypass sumthing to do with the closed loop. which i dont really understand
since if they goin to sell a system wouldnt they fix that issue too?

maybe sumone here can clarify it for me.
im new to tuning.

btw you believe termi upmaps isnt perfect?
how far would you say its off the mark?

I don't know how far off the upmap is off, but think about it.... It was designed on another bike somewhere in Italy. IIRC the Bazzaz deletes the close loop O2 sensors. I thought the dynojet did as well.

From months of following forums and reports I would say that unless you are building a dedicated track bike then termis slips only is the way to go. Most people report a significant improvement in rideability, they sound 'nicer' though not really louder, and the canned tune via the up map is quite adequate.
Having said that the Akras sure a sexy bit of kit and I really wouldn't say no.
Which leads to tuning: there are many options and all should offer the ABILITY to adjust fuelling/ign. The actual tuning/adjustments should be the result of time spent on the dyno, you can pick up canned tunes for most systems of course but they will always be hit and miss because every bike is unique.
For my money I found tuneboy to be the best combo of features vs price. (be a little wary though Mr Tuneboy seems a little overwhelmed at present and some members are a bit frustrated by their wait for support/updates)

nope.. i checked pc5 cuz i thought that it was the best but the dont have a fix for closed loop.

so you say bazzaz has that fixed?

reason why i ask here is that i hope sumone has done the research alrdy and maybe give some tips... to what system..

I thinkt he tuneboy flashes the actual ECU. I'd rather not, if something blows up it'll be nice to unplug the bazzaz and pretend nothing happened. THe bazzaz would very unlikely cause any issues, but ducati has in the past tried to blame those for engine issues.

pouakai..

tuneboy would of been excellent option but after reading ppeople results i dont like how its being dealt..

thats just for standard, slips and full termi.

im askng for akra.. so how much more time would i have to wait for them to get me a map..

i keep jumping back to termi since it has a map. but stainless steel for 4k. really? =P

dont get me wrong its nice system and its worth it but i think i can get so much more from akra if i can get the rite map in it

For the least amount of work get a termi with the upmap. But outside of that...

I have a full termi and would bet id benefit from a piggy back ecu.

TransNone13 said:

For the least amount of work get a termi with the upmap. But outside of that...

I have a full termi and would bet id benefit from a piggy back ecu.

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well trans ill be in same position but funny how no one has explore piggy back as of yet.

BlueBear said:

pouakai..

tuneboy would of been excellent option but after reading ppeople results i dont like how its being dealt..

thats just for standard, slips and full termi.

im askng for akra.. so how much more time would i have to wait for them to get me a map..

i keep jumping back to termi since it has a map. but stainless steel for 4k. really? =P

dont get me wrong its nice system and its worth it but i think i can get so much more from akra if i can get the rite map in it

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Tuneboy and others are tuning solutions not generally a source of maps. Tuneboy (and others) are not limited to std,slips,full but can be appliec to any bike.

If you are looking for a 'canned' map for Akra then your options will be extremely limited to non-existant and probably relies on Akara themselves to make something available. Maybe someone has gone before and can make a map available for whatever tuning solution they adopted.

Wouldn't be nice if there existed a utility to convert maps between tuning solutions ? eg. a Tuneboy map -> rexxer map -> PCV map etc..

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I had my bike tuned by bazzaz themselves and the difference is night and day. No more stalling issues and much smoother power delivery.

BlueBear said:

hi all

i wish to ask if its possible to tune the panigale.
there are so many products - PC5 bazzaz rapidbike
flashes - tuneboy bikeboy etc...

list goes on but with panigale being so tech
considering of buying the akra system. im trying to searching some answers.

i dont believe flashes will be accurate as even with tuneboy they release maps that may not suit your mods.

so leaves me to ECU piggy.
looking up PC5 they dont have a system that match the panigale nor bazzaz or rapidbike.


so is it better to just get termi? save the time and issues by just geting full termi?

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First thing BB, is the bike not fast enough for you now ? Are you tracking and racing it or is any exhaust you buy just for sound and coffee shop kudos ?

Buy the Akra and then just go and get the bike dyno tuned by someone who knows what they are doing. To make yourself feel good about the purchase, get it tested pre new exhaust and then after. I am sure you will see an improvement and you can post it here.

Just by fitting the Akra you will get some small power to weight ratio improvement.

I hear great things about the Rexxer mappings, might take a look at that.

we're a bunch of Pani 7 track riders here of which there are now 3 R's. 2 of those R's used to have a base before switching. All of these bikes are 'upgraded' in different stages. all have the full termi system. the R's carry the pro pipes. these R's use the stock DP upmaps

up till now the tuning reported to be the best ( even over the R's )was the following

Full termi system
SSTK timing done
Mwr filter
rapidbike race module
full mapping per 10% throttle opening. ( by now totalling over 24 hours of mapping)

This gave between 189 and 198 bhp at the wheel in DIN measurement. Most bikes started out at 168 with street/stock Termi

this issue is that one engine blew as it broke it's rod. and that adding the Rapidbike cancels warranty...

to my R i have now :

Pro pipe, throttle mapped for ridability, DP PRO engine upmap.

the bikes runs great. what gave me the most bang for the buck by far was adding a 42 tooth sprocket at the back iso the 41 stock.. it added 23kph at the end of the straight at Le Mans

Next to be done is the SSTK timing to balance the engine out between both cylinders. we'll see where that gets us. To my feeling , it will be spot on and won't need fruther mapping from Rapidbike..

It is genreally accepted that even a stock base engine is much closer to it's performance/longivity ceiling then the 1198 was (145 RW bhp stock comp to 170 on the pani at higher revs with greater pistons) so pushing it beyond will get expensive in parts and maintenance