V4 weight --- 209kg!!!

F3BobaFett said:

I would of thought the first thing to learn here is the difference between dry and wet weight?

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Dry weight is very creative - no fluids, no battery and no "whatever you choose to not have".
Wet weight is also creative - with some fluids, maybe LiON battery etc.

But we are talking about European Directive 93/93/EC (link):

1) Copy/paste from Ducati V4 owners manual:
Overall weight (in running order with 90% of fuel - 93/93/EC): 198 kg (436.5 lb).

2) And this 93/93/EC directive says:
mass in running order
means the unladen mass to which the mass of the following components is added:
— fuel: tank filled to at least 90 % of the capacity stated by the manufacturer,
— additional equipment normally supplied by the manufacturer in addition to that needed for normal operation ( tool kit, luggage carrier, windscreen, protective equipment, etc).

Edit: forgot to add definition of unladen mass in this directive:
unladen mass
means the mass of vehicle ready for normal use and equipped as follows:
— additional equipment required solely for the normal use under consideration,
— complete electrical equipment, including the lighting an light-signalling devices supplied by
the manufacturer,
— instruments and devices required by the laws under which the unladen mass of the vehicle
has been measured,
— the appropriate amounts of liquids in order to ensure the proper operation of all parts of
the vehicle.


So I have 100% stock bike with +11kg additional weight.

lauri911 said:

Dry weight is very creative - no fluids, no battery and no "whatever you choose to not have".
Wet weight is also creative - with some fluids, maybe LiON battery etc.

But we are talking about European Directive 93/93/EC (link):

1) Copy/paste from Ducati V4 owners manual:
Overall weight (in running order with 90% of fuel - 93/93/EC): 198 kg (436.5 lb).

2) And this 93/93/EC directive says:
mass in running order
means the unladen mass to which the mass of the following components is added:
"” fuel: tank filled to at least 90 % of the capacity stated by the manufacturer,
"” additional equipment normally supplied by the manufacturer in addition to that needed for normal operation ( tool kit, luggage carrier, windscreen, protective equipment, etc).

So I have 100% stock bike with +11kg additional weight.

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Well that is interesting, certainly some creative Italian mathematics going on.

Veteran said:

No V4 tester or review ever complained about a heavy bike. So if it feels good I wouldn't bother too much.
Too each his own though .

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Youtube testers do not measure weight usually.

And any other businesses like motorcycle magazines etc will NEVER say anything bad about bikes they preview --- otherwise no bike manufacturer wants to give bikes to them.

lauri911 said:

I got my V4 yesterday, 100% stock and it weigths 211kg with full tank.

So lets say that it weights 209kg with 90% of fuel --- it is +11kg heavier than in Tech Data!!!

After finding this out I did measure my BMW NineT, Ducati Scrambler Italian Independent, KTM E-XC --- and of course, Scrambler had overweigth +9kg. BMW and KTM were as promised.

So seems that Ducati lies approx. 10kg...

BMW S1000RR weigth is 208kg and I always tought that BMW is heavier...

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.... ME !!! that is a porker.

F3BobaFett said:

Well that is interesting, certainly some creative Italian mathematics going on.

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From owners manual:
Overall weight (in running order with 90% of fuel - 93/93/EC):198 kg (436.5 lb).
Overall weight (without fluids and battery): 175 kg (385.8 lb).

So lets see:
1) 175 kg +
2) Oil 3.8 L = 3.8 * 0.85 /oil kg per litre/ = 3.2 kg
3) Oil filter? not more than 500g
4) Battery +2.3kg
5) Coolant 2 litres = 2kg
6) Brake oil not more than 1L = 0.85kg
7) Fuel 90% of 16L = 16 * 0.9 * 0.75 /petrol mass per litre/ = 10.8 kg

So 175+3.2+0.5+0.85+2.3+2+10.8 = 194.65kg

Plus:
Fuses, relays, bulbs = so total around 197kg.

So my +11kg overweight is from dry weight.

lauri911 said:

Youtube testers do not measure weight usually.

And any other businesses like motorcycle magazines etc will NEVER say anything bad about bikes they preview --- otherwise no bike manufacturer wants to give bikes to them.

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Some do measure weight like MCN eventually in their group tests, but yeah not usually in the first ride/track reviews. So the truth will come out eventually. Thanks for sharing your findings.

I'm still surprised. I never would've guessed seeing the V4 up close that it actually weighed more than my gen 5 ZX, which is no svelte bike by any means. If someone had told me that right then and there I would've thought they were joking.

crossdx said:

Some do measure weight like MCN eventually in their group tests, but yeah not usually in the first ride/track reviews. So the truth will come out eventually. Thanks for sharing your findings.

I'm still surprised. I never would've guessed seeing the V4 up close that it actually weighed more than my gen 5 ZX, which is no svelte bike by any means. If someone had told me that right then and there I would've thought they were joking.

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Recent gen bikes gain a lot of weight due to emissions regulations. Swap the exhaust and you rip 5-10 kilos. Eg: my FM is stainless steel but still weighs I think 7 kilos less than OEM.

Snk1199 said:

Recent gen bikes gain a lot of weight due to emissions regulations. Swap the exhaust and you rip 5-10 kilos. Eg: my FM is stainless steel but still weighs I think 7 kilos less than OEM.

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Yeah, they're both Euro 4 compliant so a lot of weight in their cans. Thing is, the V4 looks so much physically smaller that I find it hard to believe it's the heavier of the two. That and the old push test to get a general feel of its heft. Guess it carries its weight well, lol.

Swap the cans out with the optional exhaust and you probably have most of your +11kg. On my KTM RC8 there was an 18lb (8-9kg) difference between the stock and aftermarket exhaust I put on. It was unreal.

lauri911 said:

I got my V4 yesterday, 100% stock and it weigths 211kg with full tank.

So lets say that it weights 209kg with 90% of fuel --- it is +11kg heavier than in Tech Data!!!

After finding this out I did measure my BMW NineT, Ducati Scrambler Italian Independent, KTM E-XC --- and of course, Scrambler had overweigth +9kg. BMW and KTM were as promised.

So seems that Ducati lies approx. 10kg...

BMW S1000RR weigth is 208kg and I always tought that BMW is heavier...

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Thats crazy!!! 465lbs!!!! Jesus that's almost 70lbs more than my 1299 street bike set up and the V4S is over 80lbs heavier than my track day set up!!! Power is nice but I will take a light bike any day that has a bit less power.

You won't notice it on the track. Barber's fast left right transitions were a non-event.

Be nice to see exactly how much weight the Akra exhaust actually saves.
Have the bike weighed with this exhaust, I think they list it as 8kg less??

cavlino said:

Problem is I love eating fresh bread too much so all my goals end up being pointless LOL.

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It's very simple to drop the sprung weight of any bike. It's a five points plan:

No Fats
No Carbs
No Sweets
No Alchool
No Seconds

Snk1199 said:

Recent gen bikes gain a lot of weight due to emissions regulations. Swap the exhaust and you rip 5-10 kilos. Eg: my FM is stainless steel but still weighs I think 7 kilos less than OEM.

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Very true. However, a 10 kg savings would be a reach for most but could perhaps be achieved with Titanium headers and a carbon silencer.

For example, I replaced the stock silencer on a Monster 1200R with a Carbon slip-on.
The stock weighs exactly 16.8 lbs (7.6 kg) and the SC-Project Carbon weighs less than 4.4 lbs (2 kg) for a net weight savings of 12.4 lbs (5.6 kg).

carlpretzel said:

You won't notice it on the track. Barber's fast left right transitions were a non-event.

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Under braking I will notice 70+ lbs.

1299s - 420 wet weight
v4s - 465 wet weight
45 pounds difference.

Will it matter?
That depends on your level of riding. Are you a track junkie that removes the last ounce of unneccessary weight from your bike? Do you work out in the off season to get as lean as possible for the track?

Or...are you a track DAY guy that tapes up his lights and or spend 99% of his bike time on the street?
If the street is your answer, you'll only need to worry about the extra weight when you're at the Starbucks having a d1@k measuring contest...no offense, I like Starbucks coffee.

My 1299s track bike - 390 wet weight

Has anybody put the V4 on a calibrated scale?

I can see the 209Kg being off 0-10% if it’s an older uncalibrated scale.

Maybe the bike is a little porky or maybe the scale isn’t terribly accurate

burton said:

Has anybody put the V4 on a calibrated scale?

I can see the 209Kg being off 0-10% if it's an older uncalibrated scale.

Maybe the bike is a little porky or maybe the scale isn't terribly accurate

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10% isn't going to make up for the difference. I'd think the truth will come out in the mag "shootout" tests, but I hope the factory didn't get so creative with its published specs. 465# wet, really?

A 10% error would bring it down to 418lbs fully fueled, that seems pretty reasonable to me.

burton said:

A 10% error would bring it down to 418lbs fully fueled, that seems pretty reasonable to me.

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10% error in the difference (ie. 35#), or 10% of the total weight? I doubt a scale would be off so much. That's way off. I really want to believe the factory specs, but 35# difference is hard to overlook.