V4R vs V4 ride comparison
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i'm also gawking...
so...this is a perfect thread to read up on, will continue to visit back to check any new material, similar demographics too (raced a little bit with WSMC on S1KRR, nothing like OP or Scotman)
my battle is V4S and V4R, i want to see the durability aspect of things as well. same as the 1098R with sand cast engine.
if possible people whom has raced this V4R, like to hear more about the engine as being a main load bearing of suspension, how does those hold up?
keep them coming boys!!
so...this is a perfect thread to read up on, will continue to visit back to check any new material, similar demographics too (raced a little bit with WSMC on S1KRR, nothing like OP or Scotman)
my battle is V4S and V4R, i want to see the durability aspect of things as well. same as the 1098R with sand cast engine.
if possible people whom has raced this V4R, like to hear more about the engine as being a main load bearing of suspension, how does those hold up?
keep them coming boys!!
1,000 miles including a couple of trackdays on my V4R, so far so good. Only issue is a little bit of oil coming out of dry clutch area as some others have reported, keeping an eye on it.
My impressions-
Motor is very strong, has a hit to it at the top end. I think fueling is a little rich in middle causing the mid to top end transition to not be as smooth as it could be. Compared to typical I4 you feel a bigger surge at top end.
Suspension is soft for me, which is not surprising as I'm 6'3" 220 lbs. Forks are actually pretty good once I added a lot of preload and damping, but rear shock was wallowing and never really could dial it out. More spring needed in front as well as more rebound damping (almost maxed). Rear feels stiff in the pits but soft on the track....not sure what to make of it yet.
Brakes are phenomenal, although lose a bit of feel with ABS. Could get the ABS to kick in at really hard braking, but threshold was quite high.
Electronics intrude more than I'd like at the "Race" settings. As I reduced DSC/DTC/DWC it improved, but was still having some issues with it cutting in up the hill towards T1 at Laguna Seca.
Bits and pieces: Stock pegs are too low. I don't hang way off like Marquez, but I was still dragging my feet way too easily. Wind protection from the fairings was good. Quickshifter worked well, could use a little lower delay on upshifts. Stock gearing is very tall and it comes with a 520 chain/sprocket already (found out the hard way when ordered a 1 tooth smaller 525 countershaft sprocket that didn't fit). Windscreen mounting points are different than standard V4/V4S (also learned the hard way). The GPS lap timer works well and is really convenient. I like the max lean angle and speed info from the lap time data.
My impressions-
Motor is very strong, has a hit to it at the top end. I think fueling is a little rich in middle causing the mid to top end transition to not be as smooth as it could be. Compared to typical I4 you feel a bigger surge at top end.
Suspension is soft for me, which is not surprising as I'm 6'3" 220 lbs. Forks are actually pretty good once I added a lot of preload and damping, but rear shock was wallowing and never really could dial it out. More spring needed in front as well as more rebound damping (almost maxed). Rear feels stiff in the pits but soft on the track....not sure what to make of it yet.
Brakes are phenomenal, although lose a bit of feel with ABS. Could get the ABS to kick in at really hard braking, but threshold was quite high.
Electronics intrude more than I'd like at the "Race" settings. As I reduced DSC/DTC/DWC it improved, but was still having some issues with it cutting in up the hill towards T1 at Laguna Seca.
Bits and pieces: Stock pegs are too low. I don't hang way off like Marquez, but I was still dragging my feet way too easily. Wind protection from the fairings was good. Quickshifter worked well, could use a little lower delay on upshifts. Stock gearing is very tall and it comes with a 520 chain/sprocket already (found out the hard way when ordered a 1 tooth smaller 525 countershaft sprocket that didn't fit). Windscreen mounting points are different than standard V4/V4S (also learned the hard way). The GPS lap timer works well and is really convenient. I like the max lean angle and speed info from the lap time data.
I happen to have a V4R too.
What do you think about the supposed 234Hp. I am having a hell of a problem hunting down a 2010 1000cc Suzuki on the straight that is, at full open throttle.
If that thing has 234hp I am the Emperor of China.
What do you think about the supposed 234Hp. I am having a hell of a problem hunting down a 2010 1000cc Suzuki on the straight that is, at full open throttle.
If that thing has 234hp I am the Emperor of China.
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I have the same sentiments as you as I completed a track day on my V4R.
There is a bulletin out on the dry clutch seal. My dealer replaced,under warranty and the leak is fixed.
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done 3300 miles on my R (visit to the Isle of Man TT and lots of fast road)
fuel light comes on at about 55 miles, max safe range for me is about 67-70 miles.
Previously had the oil leak from clutch area, need clutch casing and seal sorted it. I dropped the oil at 3000 miles and it was quite dark and some swarth on the sump plug.
Front tyre was shot so recently changed to a Racetec K1 and that is a level up for the Supercorsa SP.
Used 3x Supercorsa v3 rears now and tbh they are more than enough for the road so have just changed to a harder compound Diablo Corsa 2 as they are now they are available in 200/60. This tyre is fine even when really pushed, just needs a bit more to warm up and it does move around a little (feels a bit like a slightly worn Supercorsa v3)
Handling wise it's a different level to the v4s I had last year, the aero has made such a difference it really is a different bike when you really thrash it.
Feels super planted over uneven surfaces (bit like a permanent dab of back brake). Needs a bit of muscling about to change direction. A few tweaks on the suspension to get it how I Really like it (more over then front ideally)
It's back to the R being a proper special bike rather than just a few nice bits thrown on an s like the last few years of R's!
In fact I'd say it's more RS than R! Love it.
fuel light comes on at about 55 miles, max safe range for me is about 67-70 miles.
Previously had the oil leak from clutch area, need clutch casing and seal sorted it. I dropped the oil at 3000 miles and it was quite dark and some swarth on the sump plug.
Front tyre was shot so recently changed to a Racetec K1 and that is a level up for the Supercorsa SP.
Used 3x Supercorsa v3 rears now and tbh they are more than enough for the road so have just changed to a harder compound Diablo Corsa 2 as they are now they are available in 200/60. This tyre is fine even when really pushed, just needs a bit more to warm up and it does move around a little (feels a bit like a slightly worn Supercorsa v3)
Handling wise it's a different level to the v4s I had last year, the aero has made such a difference it really is a different bike when you really thrash it.
Feels super planted over uneven surfaces (bit like a permanent dab of back brake). Needs a bit of muscling about to change direction. A few tweaks on the suspension to get it how I Really like it (more over then front ideally)
It's back to the R being a proper special bike rather than just a few nice bits thrown on an s like the last few years of R's!
In fact I'd say it's more RS than R! Love it.
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wtf! have you got the Akra+race kit?
Mine is nuts and destroys everything! hits the limiter in top for fun!
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This is interesting. My V4R surely doesnt get this bad of gas mileage. My light comes on around 90-100miles and i will not go past 110 miles with it.
I am curious why yours is sucking down gas at almost twice the rate
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Yea, I think most people are getting the RACE map after installing the Akrapovic. My review was based on a bike with the full exhaust and map.
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With respect to durability...I have never had any race motor on any bike last more than 3,000 RACE TRACK miles. I have zero concerns about the new, higher-revving, motor used exclusively on track or as a load-bearing part of the chassis. Ducati does thorough testing ya know? I will make sure to rebuild my V4R after 2,000 miles of track use. I am not aware of any issues with the 1098R sand cast cases.
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Have you compensated for the geometry change and re-calibrated the TC after installing different tires? The V3 is hands down the BEST road-legal tire made to date. They wear out because they working.
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You honestly can't expect the bike to handle properly when your weight is clearly above what it states on page 276 of the Owner's Manual:
The values in the table are indicative. They have
been calculated considering a dressed rider weighing
80-90 kg (176.36-198.42 lb).
If you weigh 220 lbs is that with or without gear? If it is without then you need 11 N/m front springs and 115 N/m rear. Spring rates are typically in 5 N/m increments and each 5 N/m basically converts to support of 20 lbs in rider weight. The stock V4R with 10 N/m front and 105 N/m rear springs will NOT give you proper rider sag without being changed. Bike DOES NOT need more rebound. Get the right springs and follow the provided setup in the manual and I PROMISE you will be elated.
Akra full system including race mapping installed. Clutch oil leak fixed and ECU updated.
A friend of mine which has a V4R in Europe and one in NA claims that his European version has more HP. Both fitted with full system.
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You not read my post?
The Corsa 2 tyres are now available in 200/60 which is exactly same size as the oem supercorsa v3!
Not disagreeing with you about the Supercorsa v3 being an amazing tyre, they are that good they give way more grip than you need on the road. I’m getting about 800 miles out of a rear v3! The Corsa 2 will last long as have a wider hard central compound and a narrower sc2 compound on the edges
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You not read my post? The Corsa 2 tyres are now available in 200/60 which is exactly same size the oem supercorsa v3!
They have a wider hard central compound and a narrower sc2 compound on the edges
I did read it and the reason I took the time to make the post is because the 200/60 SP V3 is likely NOT the same diameter as the Corsa 2. Not all tires of 200/60 or any other size for that matter are the same actual diameter.
I have not seen the Corsa II in person but I can see a 200/60 exists. Did you measure the diameter of the Corsa II at pressure? The SPV3 has a 336.6 mm radius; this is the tallest tire available in the US closely followed by the Dunlop KR449 rear slick at 335.5 mm. The Pirelli Diablo SBK slick has a radius of 331 mm so as you can see there is a 5.6 mm difference in ride height between the Pirelli Diablo Superbike 200/60 slick and the Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa SP V3.
Yes, this is why I mentioned my weight up front. I also run a pretty good pace (20 years club roadracing, some AMA).
I got the forks working ok, but the rear was a compromise. For my weight and riding style stiffer springs front and rear are needed, and a revalve for more rebound in the front and more compression in the rear. That's what winter is for.
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