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endodoc said:
Hmmm. I thought it was the neutering or perhaps the occasional cross dressing but maybe it's just age. Oh and I did just pass a Range Rover with an intake snorkel above the roofline 2 spare off road tires a giant jack and a shovel. It's never seen a dirt road in its life. I bet he's having fun though.
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Now that's funny!!! Lol... My wife has paddle shifters in her turbo Q5, I dought she knows they exist... But did I mention it has a Turbo lol.. Could you please point me in the direction or give me your best advice where to buy the comfy seat for my new R? Do you think I should go Rox phone holder or just use Bluetooth on the Race track? Can't wait to feel the difference the wings make from my last race bike, hopefully it equates to.5 - .7 seconds per lap.. Thoughts Ed?
 
Ok folks so I have done a little investigating here and it turns out that scotman623 is in fact a beast on 2 wheels so if anyone can get anything out of those "bat ears" he can. Let's wait for the data. Now if you get the BSD ignition delete you could probably get a heated cup holder and a nice phone mount in one spot. Im sourcing some genuine organic saskatchewan seal skin now for the seat complete with Komodo dragon belly skin inlay and a layered Koa wood seat tray. Should be epically comfy. I may put a wing on the back of the seat just in case. If Ducati chose to have the dealers install the "bat ears", they are for sure going to fall off.
 
endodoc said:
Ok folks so I have done a little investigating here and it turns out that scotman623 is in fact a beast on 2 wheels so if anyone can get anything out of those "bat ears" he can. Let's wait for the data. Now if you get the BSD ignition delete you could probably get a heated cup holder and a nice phone mount in one spot. Im sourcing some genuine organic saskatchewan seal skin now for the seat complete with Komodo dragon belly skin inlay and a layered Koa wood seat tray. Should be epically comfy. I may put a wing on the back of the seat just in case. If Ducati chose to have the dealers install the "bat ears", they are for sure going to fall off.
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endodoc said:
Ok folks so I have done a little investigating here and it turns out that scotman623 is in fact a beast on 2 wheels so if anyone can get anything out of those "bat ears" he can. Let's wait for the data. Now if you get the BSD ignition delete you could probably get a heated cup holder and a nice phone mount in one spot. Im sourcing some genuine organic saskatchewan seal skin now for the seat complete with Komodo dragon belly skin inlay and a layered Koa wood seat tray. Should be epically comfy. I may put a wing on the back of the seat just in case. If Ducati chose to have the dealers install the "bat ears", they are for sure going to fall off.
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I don't think that anyone thought that Scotman was NOT a beast on two wheels...

Back to the whole thing: I don't like the wings but I'm not going to go fast enough around corners to use them. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be there. The Panigale is the only Ducati SBK to not win a world title in its entire run. Something has to change and the winglets are part of that.

I have posted on here before that I do a fair amount of work in Formula 1. I have posted pictures of some of the front wings and the amount of elements on them. It's inevitable that we were due to get something like that on high performance motorcycles and due to the nature of motorcycles, the change in feel due to aerodynamic aids will be very apparent to the rider. so they're here. Let's see how it goes.

Also, I am the retard who uses the paddle shifters on my M-B S65 land yacht but sold my F-1 transmission Ferraris and only kept the manual transmission ones because that's the experience that puts a smile on my face. A little strange but we all like what we like. So I'll probably stick to my old Ducatis for that very reason. At least until I get so tired of hearing how damn amazing this new V4R is and then I'll probably have to to do some exploration.
 
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Sherpa23, I agree and thats a valid write up. I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the addition of tuned airfoil sections that augment aerodynamics is a valid area of development for competitive motor vehicles. The discussion was centered on the validity of the the addition of those aerodynamic devices on street driven vehicles driven or ridden by average operators. We all know that a small % of the Rs or any 99s or V4s ever see track duty much less race duty and even then a very small % of those participants are going to be gain an advantage with the wings so my point was that they are a gimmick in that application especially considering like I said, they could have put some additional pieces on the bike that were actually useful. I just never understood the co-dependency that seems to work so well in psychological marketing like all the stickers, plaques, badges "race inspired"etc that adorn all of the vehicles on the road letting others know what size motor you have in your car. Its all a bit weird. Im giving the S-65 and the fact that you actually have open roads to drive on a pass. In SoCal we have traffic and traffic lights. Many high performance vehicles in a low performance environment. Lastly, I don't think i could use the paddle shifters and drink my coffee at the same time plus, I use the massage chairs to put me to sleep while I drive so there's that as well.
 
I think the point of the discussion has been lost in the need of the modifications from the factory. They need to have these parts like winglets and dry clutch on a production based variant to be able to use them in WSB and other racing. The V4R is not meant for everyone and if you dont want or need these parts then purchase a V4, V4S or Speciale.
 
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Sherpa23, I agree and thats a valid write up. I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that the addition of tuned airfoil sections that augment aerodynamics is a valid area of development for competitive motor vehicles. The discussion was centered on the validity of the the addition of those aerodynamic devices on street driven vehicles driven or ridden by average operators. We all know that a small % of the Rs or any 99s or V4s ever see track duty much less race duty and even then a very small % of those participants are going to be gain an advantage with the wings so my point was that they are a gimmick in that application especially considering like I said, they could have put some additional pieces on the bike that were actually useful. I just never understood the co-dependency that seems to work so well in psychological marketing like all the stickers, plaques, badges "race inspired"etc that adorn all of the vehicles on the road letting others know what size motor you have in your car. Its all a bit weird. Im giving the S-65 and the fact that you actually have open roads to drive on a pass. In SoCal we have traffic and traffic lights. Many high performance vehicles in a low performance environment. Lastly, I don't think i could use the paddle shifters and drink my coffee at the same time plus, I use the massage chairs to put me to sleep while I drive so there's that as well.
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Well, all of my bikes get high performance or track use. All of the cars do as well (I do the occasional track driving instruction for my club). Hell, I even take my 15 year old Volvo to the track from time to time. And I do have some great wide open roads and beautiful countryside in which to utilize the aforementioned performance. But yes, your point is valid and high performance stuff in low performance environment is a sad thing.

That said, I would never criticize someone for choosing the most high performance option in spite of being limited to a low performance environment. I mean, we could all be riding mopeds but instead we choose to enrich our lives that that glorious Ducati experience. I could never fault anyone for that. All that I would prefer is that they have the requisite skills to be able to use that performance properly should they ever be in a position to take advantage of it.
 
...until they complain about how a purpose-built super bike doesn't behave when they're cruising around town...pulling into parking lot...etc....

...riding it like a scooter....
 
Oh why am I even posting an opinion? Maybe its the masochist in me. But hey here it goes during my morning coffee.

Wings, Ailerons, Air Foils what ever your take on them. It can be an interesting topic on anything having to do with racing and not an airplane.

These devices on F1, for the most part destroyed my one beloved sport. Take those away and bring back the big tires and beautiful cars. They have removed the racer and now put the engineer at the forefront of the car being competitive.

Bike with these devices seem like a Pandora box that should have never been opened. Yes, of course they are going to make a difference but we are talking about some of the most talented riders in the world that could not decide if they brought more benefit than hindrance to the sport. And now we have 3 manufactures putting them on our street bikes. I am all for new tech and feel that for the most part it has moved the sport forward. But these wings... I really think they should have stayed on birds, planes and rockets and let us racers race and leave the wing aerodynamicist out of our sport.

Now where exactly did I put my flame suit? I know I left here somewhere.

Best,
 
Oh why am I even posting an opinion? Maybe its the masochist in me. But hey here it goes during my morning coffee.

Wings, Ailerons, Air Foils what ever your take on them. It can be an interesting topic on anything having to do with racing and not an airplane.

These devices on F1, for the most part destroyed my one beloved sport. Take those away and bring back the big tires and beautiful cars. They have removed the racer and now put the engineer at the forefront of the car being competitive.

A bike with these devices, seems like a Pandora box that should have never been opened. Yes, of course they are going to make a difference but we are talking about some of the most talented riders in the world that could not decide if they brought more benefit than hindrance to the sport. And now we have 3 manufactures putting them on our street bikes. I am all for new tech and feel that for the most part it has moved the sport forward. But these wings... I really think they should have stayed on birds, planes and rockets and let us racers race and leave the wing aerodynamicist out of our sport.

Now where exactly did I put my flame suit? I know I left here somewhere.

Best,

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Blade Runner said:
Oh why am I even posting an opinion? Maybe its the masochist in me. But hey here it goes during my morning coffee.

Wings, Ailerons, Air Foils what ever your take on them. It can be an interesting topic on anything having to do with racing and not an airplane.

These devices on F1, for the most part destroyed my one beloved sport. Take those away and bring back the big tires and beautiful cars. They have removed the racer and now put the engineer at the forefront of the car being competitive.

Bike with these devices seem like a Pandora box that should have never been opened. Yes, of course they are going to make a difference but we are talking about some of the most talented riders in the world that could not decide if they brought more benefit than hindrance to the sport. And now we have 3 manufactures putting them on our street bikes. I am all for new tech and feel that for the most part it has moved the sport forward. But these wings... I really think they should have stayed on birds, planes and rockets and let us racers race and leave the wing aerodynamicist out of our sport.

Now where exactly did I put my flame suit? I know I left here somewhere.

Best,
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LOL a more sensible anti-wings comment! No biggie, no flaming! To each of it's own opinion and a mature discussion is always welcomed, especially in contradictory.

The answer to your dilemma or better said grievance comes from the very nature of "competition". Because human kind could not let any kind of competition, and even more so motorsport competition, unregulated, you end up with....rules, what is allowed and what is not. And while that is never ending debate-able, at top level of competition differences can and are in fact made by using or not using a particular tech that's allowed by the rules.

The V4R was designed with WSBK in mind thus they tried to put as much tech on it and innovation so that to not break WSBK rules but at the same time allow for the most competitive advantage.
 
Blade Runner said:
Oh why am I even posting an opinion? Maybe its the masochist in me. But hey here it goes during my morning coffee.

Wings, Ailerons, Air Foils what ever your take on them. It can be an interesting topic on anything having to do with racing and not an airplane.

These devices on F1, for the most part destroyed my one beloved sport. Take those away and bring back the big tires and beautiful cars. They have removed the racer and now put the engineer at the forefront of the car being competitive.

A bike with these devices, seems like a Pandora box that should have never been opened. Yes, of course they are going to make a difference but we are talking about some of the most talented riders in the world that could not decide if they brought more benefit than hindrance to the sport. And now we have 3 manufactures putting them on our street bikes. I am all for new tech and feel that for the most part it has moved the sport forward. But these wings... I really think they should have stayed on birds, planes and rockets and let us racers race and leave the wing aerodynamicist out of our sport.

Now where exactly did I put my flame suit? I know I left here somewhere.

Best,
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I hear you man. F1 is a snoozefest. I download the races and mostly fast forward through them. Qualifying / race start are the most exciting parts of F1.
 
For the R's that will see the track i would like to know if aftermarket companys like Armour Bodies will have V4R specific track plastics with vents & giving you the option to remove or install the winglets.
 
gabriel1198 said:
For the R's that will see the track i would like to know if aftermarket companys like Armour Bodies will have V4R specific track plastics with vents & giving you the option to remove or install the winglets.
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I'm in this boat too.

Not so much because of the winglets but for the additional cooling from the R bodywork. I've heard (read) the base/S run a bit warm on track or at least did before the recall.
 

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